Which series would you want next?

[Mudd]

Well, who, since Discovery premiered back in 2017, is considered a better writer/showrunner for Star Trek than Matalas?

Anyone working on SNW.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, who, since Discovery premiered back in 2017, is considered a better writer/showrunner for Star Trek than Matalas?

All of them.

 

[thribs]

A series on the Enterprise J

 

[Australis]

When VOY ended, I really wanted to write/create a new series. New ship, new crew.

The ship was going to rescue a pod from a temporal rift being attacked by Klingons, but in doing so the first officer is killed and the ship crashes. The time traveller in the pod is grown from local materials, so it can't be dragged back into the future. He (nominative) grows fast, assumes the form of the dead first officer, and because of future tech, wires himself into the ship (more wireless, if you know what I mean), and becomes part of the ship. But because of damage to the pod, he can't remember what his real mission is, and they have to travel around trying to figure out what it is, from the few clues in the pod's memory banks. With the ship repaired, the alien has also built in a superweapon that cleans up the Klingons, obliterating them, though this weapon can only be used a few times, too powerful and dangerous. They then streak away at ludicrous speed to new adventures.

Assuming a 7 season run, about season 3, the ship was going to cross some kind of line, and for the following season is a hunted pirate vessel, before redemption at season's end, and the whole thing wrapped up in the final season.

Note that this was before ENT, and the Time War, was announced.

Getting to see a ship and crew in a new light, with secrets about the alien tech, that forced them to in effect be outside the Federation, and explore the whole thing in a wider framework.

Now isn't that better than anything else we've seen?

 

[Nerys Myk]

When VOY ended, I really wanted to write/create a new series. New ship, new crew.

The ship was going to rescue a pod from a temporal rift being attacked by Klingons, but in doing so the first officer is killed and the ship crashes. The time traveller in the pod is grown from local materials, so it can't be dragged back into the future. He (nominative) grows fast, assumes the form of the dead first officer, and because of future tech, wires himself into the ship (more wireless, if you know what I mean), and becomes part of the ship. But because of damage to the pod, he can't remember what his real mission is, and they have to travel around trying to figure out what it is, from the few clues in the pod's memory banks. With the ship repaired, the alien has also built in a superweapon that cleans up the Klingons, obliterating them, though this weapon can only be used a few times, too powerful and dangerous. They then streak away at ludicrous speed to new adventures.

Assuming a 7 season run, about season 3, the ship was going to cross some kind of line, and for the following season is a hunted pirate vessel, before redemption at season's end, and the whole thing wrapped up in the final season.

Note that this was before ENT, and the Time War, was announced.

Getting to see a ship and crew in a new light, with secrets about the alien tech, that forced them to in effect be outside the Federation, and explore the whole thing in a wider framework.

Now isn't that better than anything else we've seen?

Honestly. No.
Interesting ideas. But I don't see it as Star Trek.

 

[Australis]

I can see why you say that, but the crossover is what would make it interesting.

 

[Deidesheim]

Take off the rose tinted glasses. Nothing was ever consistent about Star Trek in those days. That's even noted by the Okudas (who apparently have attained the status of blessed saints in modern times) in their Encyclopedia editions and Chronology editions. I mean, hell, season 1 of TOS couldn't even remember which century they were supposed to take place in!

If you consider the context of my entire post, I am not saying there was not a single mistake, simply that there is a massive difference in terms of being able to keep the illusion of continuity in the previous series' versus now.

Wow. A lot to unpack there. Rick Berman was never really a creative on the franchise, despite being a credited co-creator on three series. He was more the executive in overall charge. Meanwhile Brannon Braga's authority is limited to Voyager's fifth and sixth seasons and Enterprise's run.

I didn't mention all the executives from TNG for instance but you get the point.

Besides, I'm old enough to remember twenty years ago when fandom vilified Berman and Braga as the Destroyers of the Franchise who were pissing all over Canon making an incoherent mess out of that which "held together reasonably well before now." And now, they're being held up as the ones who "helped create a consistent world." I guarantee, twenty years from now people will be saying Kurtzman was the one who respected Canon and the current producers are the Anti-Gene Demons or some such nonsense.

Yes and the reason why Berman and Braga are now the champions of the canon is because the current executives are so bad at keeping it intact to an even somewhat believable degree.

While Disco may not be as bad a show as many claim, I will admit it is extremely flawed. But SNW is "far worse"? WUT??? SNW is by far one of the best Star Trek series to be produced. That show is literal perfection as far as Star Trek is concerned. Even if it were a "lore breaking slap in the face" as you claim (which it most certainly is not) so what? It's a fucking amazing show to watch and if they have to contradict some throw away reference from the 1960s written by someone who never knew their work would still be referenced and built upon in the 2020s, than fine by me. Besides, as current Doctor Who showrunner Russell T Davies stated in his book The Writer's Tale, if it comes down to a choice between serving the story or preserving continuity, serving the story should win every time. The story is what matters, canon and continuity are expendable.

To me it's worse because it tries to resemble the Original Series era far more, while as Discovery does not make this attempt. In doing so to me it corrupts the canon far more. Discovery comes across to me as something entirely different, but to me Strange New Worlds is like wanting a 4K remaster of your favorite movie. They finally release it and they add special effects as well, except they replace around fifty percent of the movie with new scenes that are deemed politically correct by the Kremlin and then dangling it in your face saying "Look! It's what you've always wanted!" when it's not because it's too far altered.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Akiva Goldsman

The guy who was the showrunner for PIC S2?

Henry Alonso Myers

The guy that writes the midseason Spock episodes, and the SNW season finales?

Anyone working on SNW

So you are fine with Davy Perez, who wrote the two Gorn episodes in S1, and the M'Benga episode in S2. And along with Kirsten Beyer, the Rigel episode from SNW S2.

Or Kathryn Lyn, who co-wrote "Charades" and "Those Old Scientists" in SNW S2.

Or Dana Horgan & Bill Wolkoff, who wrote the musical episode "Subspace Rhapsody"?

All of them.

So you'd be fine with Kirsten Beyer, who came up with the idea of PIC, and wrote "Stardust City Rag" for PIC S1 and co-wrote "Mercy" in PIC S2. Along with the Short Trek "Children of Mars", the DIS episodes "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" "Saints of Imperfection", "Unification III". And is a VOY novelist, having written a dozen novels.

Or PIC writer Christopher Monfette, who wrote "Penance", "Assimilation" and "Farewell" for S2 and "Disengage" and "The Bounty" for S3.

Or PIC writer Sean Tretta, who worked with Matalas on 12 Monkeys, and co-wrote three S3 episodes in "Disengage", "No Win Scenario" and "Vox".

Or Travis Fickett, who wrote the PIC S2 episode Watcher, and is a close collaborator with Matalas, have helped to write the comic that PIC S3 is based off of.

Or PIC writer Cindy Appel who wrote "Fly Me To The Moon" for S2, co-wrote "Two of One" and Seventeen Second" with Jane Maggs in S2 & S3, and co-wrote "Mercy" with Kirsten Beyer for S2.

Or PIC writer Jane Maggs, who wrote "Monster" for PIC S2, and "Dominion" for PIC S3?

Or Michael Chabon, who was the showrunner for PIC S1, and wrote most of PIC S1, sans the midseason episodes"Stardust City Rag" and "The Impossible Box"?

All of these writers are better than Matalas, IYO.

 

[HotRod]

All of these writers are better than Matalas, IYO.

They're certainly more creative.

 

[fireproof78]

Now isn't that better than anything else we've seen?

No.

and the reason why Berman and Braga are now the champions of the canon is because the current executives are so bad at keeping it intact to an even somewhat believable degree.

They're still bad. No praise should be given to them for poor decisions because people disagree with current productions.

All of these writers are better than Matalas, IYO

On Star Trek, yes. Matalas hasn't offered up anything inspiring for Star Trek.

They're certainly more creative.

This.

 

[Australis]

To all the naysayers to my idea, keep in mind I was trying to do something different, not previously done, and without legacy characters, starting afresh in the same universe.

That said, if you don't like it, you don't, and that's fine. No point in pursuing it. And it was different days.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The guy who was the showrunner for PIC S2?


The guy that writes the midseason Spock episodes, and the SNW season finales?



So you are fine with Davy Perez, who wrote the two Gorn episodes in S1, and the M'Benga episode in S2. And along with Kirsten Beyer, the Rigel episode from SNW S2.

Or Kathryn Lyn, who co-wrote "Charades" and "Those Old Scientists" in SNW S2.

Or Dana Horgan & Bill Wolkoff, who wrote the musical episode "Subspace Rhapsody"?



So you'd be fine with Kirsten Beyer, who came up with the idea of PIC, and wrote "Stardust City Rag" for PIC S1 and co-wrote "Mercy" in PIC S2. Along with the Short Trek "Children of Mars", the DIS episodes "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" "Saints of Imperfection", "Unification III". And is a VOY novelist, having written a dozen novels.

Or PIC writer Christopher Monfette, who wrote "Penance", "Assimilation" and "Farewell" for S2 and "Disengage" and "The Bounty" for S3.

Or PIC writer Sean Tretta, who worked with Matalas on 12 Monkeys, and co-wrote three S3 episodes in "Disengage", "No Win Scenario" and "Vox".

Or Travis Fickett, who wrote the PIC S2 episode Watcher, and is a close collaborator with Matalas, have helped to write the comic that PIC S3 is based off of.

Or PIC writer Cindy Appel who wrote "Fly Me To The Moon" for S2, co-wrote "Two of One" and Seventeen Second" with Jane Maggs in S2 & S3, and co-wrote "Mercy" with Kirsten Beyer for S2.

Or PIC writer Jane Maggs, who wrote "Monster" for PIC S2, and "Dominion" for PIC S3?

Or Michael Chabon, who was the showrunner for PIC S1, and wrote most of PIC S1, sans the midseason episodes"Stardust City Rag" and "The Impossible Box"?

All of these writers are better than Matalas, IYO.

Yes

 

[fireproof78]

To all the naysayers to my idea, keep in mind I was trying to do something different, not previously done, and without legacy characters, starting afresh in the same universe.

That said, if you don't like it, you don't, and that's fine. No point in pursuing it. And it was different days.

I don't have enough information to say it would be more interesting than recent productions.I need characters to gauge that.

 

[Mage]

Definitely 'OTHER'.

I suppose the charm of the Rachel Garrett show is The Lost Era. I would love The Lost Era, but Rachel Garrett would most likely be another show on another Enterprise. Been there, done that. Same reason I loath the idea of Legacy.
Lost Era, dealing with things like the Klingons and Cardassians during those decades for example. The novels touched upon those things in great fashion. A show set 10 years after TUC, with this fragile alliance between the Klingons and the Federation. There was still contact with the Romulans at this time, so go explore the Tomed incident.

Going beyond Picard is fine by me as well. Just, no Captain Seven on the USS Enterprise please. I love that that's out there, I got a bit emotional when it happened. But seriously....
Let's think of it this way.... If Enterprise hadn't happened but a show set 10 years after Voyager got home with Seven as Captain of the new Enterprise, people would have called it 'superfanwankfest of the decade'. And it really kind of is. There is so much small universe going on that Im ok with it as a farewell to that era of Star Trek. That was basically what season 3 was. A love-letter to what many fans feels as a high light of Star Trek; TNG season 1 through Voyager season 7. I'm not saying I am one of them, but still....
So no, if there is a follow up to Picard, I'd rather have it set on a new ship with a new crew, and dealing with the aftermath of the end of season 2. There is more original story to tell there.

 

[Australis]

I don't have enough information to say it would be more interesting than recent productions.I need characters to gauge that.

Valid. Keep in mind this was, ooo, 2001, so my memory isn't what it was, but...

First off, if I mention genders, they were only nominative, could go either way, and now could be something else altogether, which would be interesting, Anyway...

The Captain. Not old, only his second command, fierce in looking after his crew. Loyal to Starfleet, but very critical of some of its rules - he doesn't just bend them, he will outright break them in the names of justice and humanity. Somewhere in his background is a history as an independent spacer that has plenty of time for good rules, and none at all for bad ones. He is okay to follow the First Officer's agenda because he feel it is of very high importance.

The First Officer. Older, more experienced, Captain a little in awe of him. They grate a little (think Crimson Tide only nowhere near that bad). But then he dies in the attack, and when we see him next, he is something else, someone else altogether. A person constructed by machine, close to human but with extra components that ties him into the ship's systems (think neural gel taken further). He's not a Data/Spock stoic (BTDT) but he looks at this universe through wide eyes. He has a lot of knowledge, but the important part, his reason for being there, was lost in the attack, and he looks to find what it was, because it's obviously important. To this end he finds a way to free the ship from regular activities (patrols, deliveries, diplomacy, etc), and can get into the system (assignments) to be able to go the places he feels they need to go to complete his mission (which includes figuring out what it is). This is the core of the series. IOW, he has the tools to do the job but not the reasons. And the Captain and FO butt heads a lot - the Captain believe in the FO's mission, but wants to do it in a way to minimise damage to ship and crew.

The Doctor. Fascinated by the FO. Can use the pod's tech to boost his abilities to heal and save people. A rebel in his own way.

Comms. Loyal to the Captain and the ship, but desperately wants to report the whole situation to Starfleet. Very much seesawing in this dilemma.

Security. Also wants Starfleet to know, because this new First Officer could be a threat to galactic security, but unsure of exactly how to proceed.

Helm. A flyboy, just wanted to do a turn on this ship and move onto other, bigger, things, but now he's stuck. The Captain can't let him go, and he gets it, but this is stalling his growth.

There would be others, but there's the Trek basics.

A significant number of episodes would revolve around the First Officer, plowing through his shattered memories, knowing he has to be at certain places at certain times to prevent/cause something to happen (keep in mind this was before I'd heard about the Time War), and by solving the situation, the Federation is moved forward. But then, in overcoming a drastic situation, the Captain is ordered to surrender the ship, and an intense discussion with the First Officer convinces him he can't. He tells the crew they can leave if they want, and a significant number do, but the Doctor uses pod tech to selectively wipe their memories, and they have to continue with a skeleton crew. At the end of that season of hijinks and piracy, they save, I dunno, something like Yorktown (which triggers new info in the FO), prevent massive loss of life, and are restored to Starfleet, and the next season explores not only what it's like to be back in the fold and under a set of rules they were free from for a while (the VOY story we didn't get to see), but also their old crewmates, with no memories of what really happened, back among them. In the last season, the First officer pieces together enough to figure out a galaxy-wide catastrophe is coming, and they need to move the Federation forward, have to find a way to fix it (keep in mind this was long before DSC and PIC). And I went to all that trouble because too often we've seen series that don't have an endpoint and peter out into nothing.

Aaaaand that's about it. Take it or leave it. It's...'lost story' stuff now.

 

[fireproof78]

Aaaaand that's about it. Take it or leave it. It's...'lost story' stuff now.

A story is never lost; just unfinished.

 

[The Wormhole]

If you consider the context of my entire post, I am not saying there was not a single mistake, simply that there is a massive difference in terms of being able to keep the illusion of continuity in the previous series' versus now.

There's never been an "illusion of continuity." The only people who say so are the ones who want to slam the current product by elevating the previous stuff. This whole "illusion of continuity" rhetoric is more about romanticizing the past than it is critiquing the present.

Yes and the reason why Berman and Braga are now the champions of the canon is because the current executives are so bad at keeping it intact to an even somewhat believable degree.

But again, it's never been kept intact to any kind of believable degree. TOS couldn't remember which century it takes place in, TNG has Data claim he graduated from the Academy on a date which was fourteen years in the future. O'Brien constantly switching back and forth between an officer and a non-com, as well as whether Starfleet even has enlisted ranks to begin with. And let's not even start on Voyager's supposedly irreplaceable photon torpedoes.

To me it's worse because it tries to resemble the Original Series era far more, while as Discovery does not make this attempt. In doing so to me it corrupts the canon far more. Discovery comes across to me as something entirely different, but to me Strange New Worlds is like wanting a 4K remaster of your favorite movie. They finally release it and they add special effects as well, except they replace around fifty percent of the movie with new scenes that are deemed politically correct by the Kremlin and then dangling it in your face saying "Look! It's what you've always wanted!" when it's not because it's too far altered.

Yeah, okay. Keep fucking that chicken.

 

[tomalak301]

I want an entirely new show that takes place in like the 26th century and have a new cast and new ship and take Star Trek in a different direction. I originally wanted a lost era series but I think that would be a nice movie. Star Trek should be moving forward, and if I learned anything from Season 3 of Picard (Which I did like), it was what they did with the newer characters was wrong in favor of memberberries. I may not have liked Season 2 of Picard, but I did like Jurati and Rios and to a lesser extent, Elnor. I want to see more new characters. I want 10 years to go by and people are taking about newer characters in the same vain as Picard or Kirk. What we are in now is like if Next Generation came out and you brought back everything from the original series, and the newer characters didn't have a chance to shine. You wouldn't have a Picard or Sisko if you didn't try. Give me a character named Bob or Lindsey or some weird Andorian name and let them spread their wings.

And before someone comes back saying they tried that with Discovery, they made the main lead character Spocks half Sister. I want complete and total disconnection from everything we know before except for maybe the Federation, but even the Federation changes.

 

[fireproof78]

Give me a character named Bob or Lindsey or some weird Andorian name and let them spread their wings.

Definitely Lindsey.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How about an Andorian named Bob Lindsey?