Which is "YOUR" Star Trek?

[cooleddie74]

You may not have heard the phrase, but you’re certainly familiar with the its rampant practice. Cultural vandalism is a natural outgrowth of iconoclasm. Cultural vandal is a noun, and refers to those who practice cultural vandalism.

It’s a touchy subject, so I won’t pursue it any further in this forum, but there are readily available definitions for all of this stuff if one is so inclined to learn more.

 

[Farscape One]

Have you seen the audience scores for Discovery? Merchandisers won’t touch this stuff with a ten foot pole.

When they put STD season 1 on CBS for free during a pandemic when people were literally trapped in their homes with nowhere to go, it couldn’t even beat out reruns of the Masked Singer.

The brand damage Klutzman has done is impressive. And again, it’s not just Star Trek, look at what he did with Universal’s Dark Universe, or Clarice. Where are those franchises now?



Not now. He did, but JarJar Abrams and Bad Reboot were at least smart enough to step away from the mess they created. Klutzman wasn’t.



It doesn’t undermine anything. Calling flat earthers stupid doesn’t suddenly make the earth flat.



They absolutely have. Some people look at graffiti and call it street art. Others watch statues get torn down or books get burned and call it progress.

The rest of us call it vandalism. Cultural vandalism, to be exact.

I'm still not convinced it can legitamately be called cultural vandalism. Definitely a different style, sure. But part of that is simply the production era... just like there is a big difference between TOS and Berman era.

 

[1001001]

I thought we were supposed to keep politics out of this thread and be used in the appropriate forum...

Thank you so much for the reminder. Very helpful.

I wasn’t the one who continued it. Hopefully now I’m the one who ended it.

If you have any other commentary on my moderating, please feel free to use the PM function.

 

[Vale]

In an infinite multi-verse, a hot rod version of the ship is fine.

Since the TNG/DS9/VOY era most starship designs have been streamlined. This is pointless from a functional perspective – aerodynamics don't matter in space, and if anything it makes the interior layouts much less efficient than they would otherwise be – but it makes them look fast and powerful and advanced. Ship designs were already being hotrodded before the Abrams movies.

 

[BillJ]

Since the TNG/DS9/VOY era most starship designs have been streamlined. This is pointless from a functional perspective – aerodynamics don't matter in space, and if anything it makes the interior layouts much less efficient than they would otherwise be – but it makes them look fast and powerful and advanced.

Probably a byproduct of us growing up in an atmosphere and having to learn to fly in the soup before the emptiness of space. Aerodynamics simply became ingrained in who we are and how we see what we consider flying craft.

 

[Vale]

Probably a byproduct of us growing up in an atmosphere and having to learn to fly in the soup before the emptiness of space. Aerodynamics simply became ingrained in who we are are how we see what we consider flying craft.

Yes, that's one of those "reality is unrealistic" tropes.

 

[Vger23]

You may not have heard the phrase, but you’re certainly familiar with the its rampant practice. Cultural vandalism is a natural outgrowth of iconoclasm. Cultural vandal is a noun, and refers to those who practice cultural vandalism.

It’s a touchy subject, so I won’t pursue it any further in this forum, but there are readily available definitions for all of this stuff if one is so inclined to learn more.

2009 called. It wants its “disgruntled fan talking points” back.

 

[Mudd]

TOS by a million miles. That said, pontificating about what shows are or are not "Truly Star Trek" is...well, there's no inoffensive word for it, because it's nonsense.

Some TV shows are better than others, and some aren't very good at all. That's all.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Vandalism doesn’t require destruction.

*Hot Air Follows*

So, no vandalism and you're wrong then?

 

[Mudd]

Apparently the term has been co-opted in recent years to refer to an entertainment property being taken by new production staff in any direction that the individual using the term does not personally like.
...Which doesn't make any sense whatsoever because the original works are still intact.

Absolutely Right.ᵀᴹ

It's an attempt to elevate a personal bias or dislike to Something That Matters.

It doesn't.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

My Star Trek is the one that entertains me. That's mostly TOS, the 80s movies, the first four seasons of TNG, the Kelvin films, some of VOY, a little of ENT, DISCO, LOWER DECKS, comics... etc.

Although I've watched most all of it, including DS9 and PICARD. The TNG films.

I'm a TOS guy through and through. But I love the Trekverse a lot so if it's entertaining, I'll watch it. And I give all the new shows and movies a chance.

 

[Mudd]

I can't sit through much of it these days. Even the ones I don't dislike, such as Picard, are overloaded with rote, repetitive stuff that they know fans expect. There's not much novelty or depth compared to other television that's available.

"Shields down to 47 percent!"

"The transporter is offline!"*


*Alternatively, "The Macguffin is blocking the transporter signal," or the ever-popular oh-just-fuck-it "I can't get a lock on them!"

 

[Campe]

To answer the question, all of it but specifically TOS and DS9.

But let’s be fair. Star Trek for me is entertainment. It’s comfort. If I want to be challenged, there’s a lot of shows out there I do watch. I’m not expecting pure brilliance because statistically with Trek, it really just isn’t there. Just my $0.02.

 

[cooleddie74]

TOS for me. Still the Trek all others have to beat in terms of creativity and storytelling that lasts longer than a few months in fans' memories.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Have you seen the audience scores for Discovery?

Yes. But should we really pander to the scared, middle aged homophobic white men who wrote them?

Merchandisers won’t touch this stuff with a ten foot pole.

Eaglemoss, Playmates, Fansets?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Eaglemoss, Playmates, Fansets?

Quantum Mechanix, Polar Lights, Mego...

But you know, apart from them, nobody will touch them.

But cultural vandalism crying whatever Doomcock said bad writing whispering something something emotions etc.

 

[fireproof78]

All those model sets I saw at Walmart must have been figments of my imagination.

 

[BillJ]

All those model sets I saw at Walmart must have been figments of my imagination.

My daughter, who works for Walmart, got me two of them for Christmas.

 

[somebuddyX]

The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country (and I guess the look of The Search for Spock), with later season TNG and early season DS9.

 

[Admiral Archer]

Toss up between the classic movies (specifically The Motion Picture, although all 6 films are the perfect example of the wide range of what Star Trek is, was and can and should be) and TNG, which was my first Trek. Voted for the TOS films because I didn't think many others would, and because they deserve to have some votes for them, too.