It’s a shame they haven’t, especially as the others have done quite well out of directors cuts/remastering and so on. It’d be a fantastic thing to see.
Which is "YOUR" Star Trek?
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It’s a shame they haven’t, especially as the others have done quite well out of directors cuts/remastering and so on. It’d be a fantastic thing to see.
All four times.
So surreal, first few opening weeks and being a part of only a few people in the theater.Whenever we decided we were going to go see it again, the rallying cry was: We're off to see the entity, the entity at Sha-Ka'ree!
I think it would have been better if he wasn't Spock's brother. That really didn't add anything. He could have been an old friend from school or something.
But yes, Sybok was a good character, IMHO
Totally. It has some of the best Triumvirate scenes in all the 80s Trek films. And it's the film that feels the closest to the spirit of the original show. There's some good themes, such as living with trauma/pain, that aren't fully explored. Has an antagonist that's far more nuanced than the typical Trek film ones.
TFF is amazing. This is all.
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Spock's uncle/Sarek's brother would work better I think.
For me it's TOS and TNG, and their movies. For my possible future kids, same. I'll probably keep everything post Voyager away from them.
Very much both the original series and The Next Generation.
The campfire scene remains one of my favorites. The chemistry between the three is pretty special and not something easily replicable without that shared history across the decades (fictional or otherwise).
Also, Captain Kirk climbed a mountain. Why did he climb the mountain? Was he hugging the mountain? Did he wish to make love to the mountain? Who can say. But Kirk v. Mountain transitioning to Kirk as ... one of the mountain, is simply transcendent.
As for my Trek - TOS, TNG and DS9. Got into Trek after seeing First Contact at the movies. Loved it and proceeded to track down every VHS I could find of Berman-era Trek + recording TOS re-runs in the early hours. Voyager was in the mix as well, but my interest started to wane after DS9 ended. But those were great days; I was all over the place watching them out of order as I found the tapes across different video stores - bit of Voyager season 2, TNG season 5, DS9 season 1, then back to some TOS re-runs. It was awesome.
Then I found this place and spent the next 22+ years moaning about (almost) everything that came after.
Adaptation literally means to change.
What was their explanation?
The Sha-Ka-Ree entity used telepathic messages to instruct Sybok and his followers on how to alter the balance and formula of the ship's warp drive to achieve otherwise unattainable speeds. The telepathic messages are inferred in the actual movie when Sybok mentions his visions he's been given.
IIRC, the novelization makes this even more explicit.
My Star Trek is mainly the secondary & tertiary characters, the bits & bobs and incidentals, the set dressing and concept art and ideas that make up the Trek Universe. While I'll nod my head and go along with the main characters and stories, it's the world that they inhabit that I find far more interesting and that I'd like to explore (which is why I prefer the novels, in-universe tech manuals and the like, and behind the scenes books more than the filmed stuff - with the possible exception of ST III and its incredible world-building).
Here, this is what I mean (from last year's similarly themed fan art challenge):
Here, this is what I mean (from last year's similarly themed fan art challenge):
Not terrible, but I'd prefer the visions be of a wormhole to use as a shortcut than yet another huge technological leap that never gets mentioned again.
The novel, which is actually quite brilliant, also explained how the Enterprise got through the Barrier. It leveraged the fact that Sybok was supposed to be a brilliant Vulcan, and said that he had spent years of his life perfecting a shield formula that was specifically designed to allow a starship to pass through unharmed. Later, when the Klingons are tailing the Enterprise, they scan the ship and discover the shield modifications and use them for their own safe passage.
The novel is actually really good. JM Dillard had a knack for novelizations of the films. I liked her work a lot more than Vonda McIntyre (her TWOK adaptation is brutal.....like fetishistic focus on torture and violence....yikes).
A little explanation in a movie saves a lot of grief later on. Sadly one of TFF's flaws is how poorly it explains the most important areas of its plot.
Yeah, in reading all the "making of" material that is available on TFF, it becomes clear that the thrust of the writing process was ironing out all of the various character motivations that pop up in the story. They really went through a number of twists and turns on "why would Spock do this" or "why wouldn't McCoy object to that" and it took a ton of their time. They then spent a ton of their energy on the concepts of "God," Sha Ka Ree, etc.
It seems like when all that effort was done, they had little time for the more technical / detail-oriented aspects of the script. And, it's a shame, because one or two lines here or there would have completely solved the issues. It also seems like they did receive some advice from the science advisors they had on staff about things like the nature of the center of the galaxy, etc, but chose to ignore it at times.
I'd have jettisoned the Scotty-Uhura romance for at least 90 seconds of explaining how the engines and shields were modified for the journey to Sha-Ka-Ree. Sometimes "character development" is a bad idea and if it plays a part in sacrificing the in-universe logic of the story.
I'd have just moved Sha-Ka-Ree to somewhere they can reach in a day instead of 30 years. There's no reason it has to be so far away.
Hey, it could have been a lot worse....the original concept was that Sha Ka Ree was at the center of the universe. It took the science advisors to tell them that that was somewhat problematic.
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