Which is your favorite love interest for Troi?
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I picked "other" but unfortunately, there's no field where I can enter "ME"
That counts as other I guess
I went with Will...there was a lot more there, and the actors often sold it in very subtle ways, like meaningful looks on the bridge when they didn't have dialogue.
I thought this was going to be about Troi's guest romances of the week, which were generally horrid.
Like that one....
I thought this was going to be about Troi's guest romances of the week, which were generally horrid.
Like that one....
I went with Will...there was a lot more there, and the actors often sold it in very subtle ways, like meaningful looks on the bridge when they didn't have dialogue.
I thought this was going to be about Troi's guest romances of the week, which were generally horrid.
Like that one....
Anyone can feel free to discuss the romance of the week guys if they want. I almost gave Wyatt a voting option of his own but just lumped him with the "other" category. I don't think he'd get enough votes to matter.
It is shocking to think that they almost wrote Troi out of the show to marry her offf with Wyatt. That would've been a pretty sad ending since they didn't really love each other. It baffles me that Betazoids have traditional arranged marriages anyways. That just doesn't seem like a great idea to me for a race of people so into their emotions. You'd think they'd be all about true love.
Did they almost write her off the show? I thought it was just This Week's Plot.
^Yep, Haven was produced earlier in the season and held back in case they needed to retool it into a "Deanna marries Wyatt and leaves the Enterprise" but then it became clear that Crosby would leave and they kept Troi.
I'm glad as well, since Troi is my favorite in TNG also.
To me she and Wyatt clearly had chemistry with each other, more so than she and (at the very least) early/Season 1 Riker.
They would have probably dropped the Ariana subplot, maybe there would have been a major re-write and re-shoot of the episode to install a different kind of crisis to deal with.
But I agree, it is strange that the Betazoids have arranged marriages, and even stranger that a completely human couple would engage in that tradition and insist on it being carried out....while also apparently having a dislike for Betazoid traditions/culture (or at least traditional weddings).
In a deleted scene from the script Deanna explains that the Millers fell so in love with Betazed that they adopted the culture and traditions....which again bites with Mrs. Miller veoting a traditional Betazed wedding.
And why did all these people (including Ariana's plague barge) just happen to be at Haven when the Enterprise happened to show up?
There were holes in the plot Troi could fly the Enterprise through without crashing.
I'm glad as well, since Troi is my favorite in TNG also.
To me she and Wyatt clearly had chemistry with each other, more so than she and (at the very least) early/Season 1 Riker.
They would have probably dropped the Ariana subplot, maybe there would have been a major re-write and re-shoot of the episode to install a different kind of crisis to deal with.
But I agree, it is strange that the Betazoids have arranged marriages, and even stranger that a completely human couple would engage in that tradition and insist on it being carried out....while also apparently having a dislike for Betazoid traditions/culture (or at least traditional weddings).
In a deleted scene from the script Deanna explains that the Millers fell so in love with Betazed that they adopted the culture and traditions....which again bites with Mrs. Miller veoting a traditional Betazed wedding.
And why did all these people (including Ariana's plague barge) just happen to be at Haven when the Enterprise happened to show up?
There were holes in the plot Troi could fly the Enterprise through without crashing.
^ The very earliest drafts of "Haven", then titled "Love Beyond Time And Space", had Deanna as a fully willing participant in the arranged wedding (in fact, even going so far as to tell 'Ryker' that this is an role she has eagerly waited her entire life to fulfil), although at least at that stage they still didn't go through with actually marrying her off. Perhaps they were keeping that idea in check as a quick rewrite job should they have decided to remove Sirtis from the cast.
^ I have no problem with that, if that was her culture, Season 1 Troi seemed fairly in touch with ( however ill-defined) Betazed culture. What I don't understand is the bi-polar stance the Millers take "We demand for Betazoid custom to be observed! Except that we want it to be fulfilled in a completely Terran way without all those silly Betazoid customs!"
Which brings me to something, Lance, any chance of you continuing your excellent "First Drafts" thread?
Which brings me to something, Lance, any chance of you continuing your excellent "First Drafts" thread?
^ I have no problem with that, if that was her culture, Season 1 Troi seemed fairly in touch with ( however ill-defined) Betazed culture. What I don't understand is the bi-polar stance the Millers take "We demand for Betazoid custom to be observed! Except that we want it to be fulfilled in a completely Terran way without all those silly Betazoid customs!"
Which brings me to something, Lance, any chance of you continuing your excellent "First Drafts" thread?
Yeah, the situation is kinda justfied from the Betazoid point of view (heck, we see arranged marriages even in current Earth cultures). Deanna kind of seems reticient to it in the broadcast episode, but in the early draft she's pretty enthusastic. I wonder if Lwaxana and Ian Andrew (Deanna's father) were an arranged marriage also?
As per my "early drafts" thread, I've been quite busy just recently, but I do hope to get back to it soon.
That's perfectly understandable, I'm busy lately as well.
Looking forward to you continuing it, it's great discussion material!
Looking forward to you continuing it, it's great discussion material!
You're right. She seems more alien in season one than in later seasons. It hadn't occurred to me until you made your comment.
I'm glad Troi and Will finally got married. However, I liked Troi's dynamic with Riva in "Loud As A Whisper." So I went with both Will Riker and other.
For what it's worth, in the novel Imzadi we learn that Lwaxana had an arranged marriage but her fiancee left her for another man. Lwaxana seems to be ok with the situation and comments that they made a cuter couple than she and he did, and it all worked out better for her since she married Ian Troi for love later.
The arranged marriage really bugs me, even more so since Troi was engaged to an Earth man whose parents also particiapted in this. It just rubs me the wrong way that 24th century people would be arranging marriages for their children.
If they were going to write Troi out by marrying Wyatt it might have worked a little better if Troi really had been the woman he'd been dreaming of. I can't imagine his dream woman showing up would've been included if they were going to marry Troi off.
I'm appalled though that they wanted to write Troi off. The character always had a lot of potential. I blame the writers who didn't know what to do with her.
The arranged marriage really bugs me, even more so since Troi was engaged to an Earth man whose parents also particiapted in this. It just rubs me the wrong way that 24th century people would be arranging marriages for their children.
If they were going to write Troi out by marrying Wyatt it might have worked a little better if Troi really had been the woman he'd been dreaming of. I can't imagine his dream woman showing up would've been included if they were going to marry Troi off.
I'm appalled though that they wanted to write Troi off. The character always had a lot of potential. I blame the writers who didn't know what to do with her.
If you look at Troi across the whole series she becomes continuously less alien, more human and more forward/sociable in both appearance and demeanor.
If we want to be generous we could say it was her "arc" to grow from sheltered Betazoid pseudo-aristocracy to a fully realized adult comfortable in her own skin.
However I'm more inclined to say it was a combination of the writers having trouble with writing an alien telepath and Sirits bugging them to write Troi less reserved to make the character ore interesting for her to play (not that it was a bad change, character development is good, after all).
In that vain we could even interpret her causal attire as her trying to distance herself from the rest of the crew (the bun in the first season, at the very least was meant to be a traditional Betazoid thing) and after Jellico told her to change, she found out that her more professional appearance made it easier for the others to take her seriously as a professional and authority figure, which she liked and so decided to keep the standard uniform.
Marina rocked the TNG uniform, as indeed, she always had. In the pilot episode, she made the skant look damn good! That's how hot Marina was. She wasn't afraid to eat, but to her credit, she never really got beefy, from it, either. It would've done even more to help seperate TNG from TOS, if Bill & Dee had gotten married. TNG deserved an even stronger self-identity than what it was granted, even in those days ... and Riker and Troi could've been an even more important dividing bar, in that regard.
The skant uniform was a nice look, but I guess it made sitting kind of uncomfortable for Sirtis. They should have just added black leggins to that look-> No more danger of Sirtis flashing the audience her panties. Pus it would have looked hella cool! Or put her into a standard uniform without giving her the bun hairstyle.
Her jumpsuit in the first season looked awful, it didn't even look finished in my opinion, jjust like something they threw together hastily just before filming...
The real tragedy was that with none of the male main characters ever wore the skant uniform...
Her jumpsuit in the first season looked awful, it didn't even look finished in my opinion, jjust like something they threw together hastily just before filming...
The real tragedy was that with none of the male main characters ever wore the skant uniform...
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