Poll Which holographic program(s) would you pick?

[JirinPanthosa]

Would most people really get that kinky though? I think a lot of people think they want that but really would feel more comfortable with more normality.

The only danger is that, with non-sentient partners some people would get more comfortable being violent then apply that comfort in real life.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The only danger is that, with non-sentient partners some people would get more comfortable being violent then apply that comfort in real life.

I should think that if somebody acts out violent fantasies in the holodeck, it would make them less likely to get violent outside of it. A properly made holodeck program would be a good way to release aggression, not cause it.

 

[Jayson1]

I should think that if somebody acts out violent fantasies in the holodeck, it would make them less likely to get violent outside of it. A properly made holodeck program would be a good way to release aggression, not cause it.

That's how I feel as well. It would work much in the same way violent action moves and vide games do, today. As for whether they go that kinky. It could even be helpful for people exploring their sexuality and figuring out just what they are into in a safe way without being judged. Like I said above I think at first people would be hesitant because it would be all new. As time passes and the reality that it's all make believe people would become more comfortable with it. Just as long as their info is secure. Tthe minute private holodeck programs make it onto the internet it would cause fear.

Jason

 

[Admiral Archer]

My pick was "other" for a very specific and personal reason...

When I was 12 years old, at the dawn of my modern Trekkie phase, I lived in a house on a small hill overlooking a plain in Lexington, KY. I remember picking up and dusting off a VHS tape of my TNG collection I'd been getting in the mail for years at the time (sometime around when I was 7 years old, my dad had ordered the subscription for me). I apparently watched a holodeck episode first, because when the episode ended, I began to pretend I was an off duty Captain heading to the holodeck on his ship to visit his ancestral family home, with the front door to my house serving as the archway. That house ended up being my childhood home. I've dreamt of living there again ever since I moved away some ten or so years ago, so if anyone ever invented a real life holodeck, that would be the first program I would choose.

Here's a recent picture of the house that I used to live in, for reference:

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I should think that if somebody acts out violent fantasies in the holodeck, it would make them less likely to get violent outside of it. A properly made holodeck program would be a good way to release aggression, not cause it.

Depends on the person. I would argue if a person is realistic enough that their facial expressions tap into real empathy, and you learn to suppress it, that'd desensitize you in real life. I know this is not the case to video games, as studies have proven that violent video games don't cause violent actions, but I'm not sure they're realistic enough to feel like real violence.

If we had a real holodeck to try the study on, and it was run, I'd predict holograms that don't react like they are scared would NOT cause a person to be more violent, but holograms that react like they are scared would.

Simply because I think the main reason most people are NOT violent is that they can't help but emotionally react when they see somebody scared and in pain. Now, if you had that in a context where you knew you weren't really hurting the person, and keeping going would result in the hologram reinforcing that behavior, I think it'd cause people to suppress that empathy reaction much, much more than video game characters who never act like a real frightened human.

My holodeck program would probably be a scifi epic, and yes there'd be beautiful multicolored alien women.

 

[Jayson1]

Depends on the person. I would argue if a person is realistic enough that their facial expressions tap into real empathy, and you learn to suppress it, that'd desensitize you in real life. I know this is not the case to video games, as studies have proven that violent video games don't cause violent actions, but I'm not sure they're realistic enough to feel like real violence.

If we had a real holodeck to try the study on, and it was run, I'd predict holograms that don't react like they are scared would NOT cause a person to be more violent, but holograms that react like they are scared would.

Simply because I think the main reason most people are NOT violent is that they can't help but emotionally react when they see somebody scared and in pain. Now, if you had that in a context where you knew you weren't really hurting the person, and keeping going would result in the hologram reinforcing that behavior, I think it'd cause people to suppress that empathy reaction much, much more than video game characters who never act like a real frightened human.

My holodeck program would probably be a scifi epic, and yes there'd be beautiful multicolored alien women.

The upside though is if people are really into causing pain and suffering then having a fake outlet as opposed to real people would be ideal. The only issue is would it be like serial killers who start out by hurting animals then move up to humans. Difference is a animal is different from a human so maybe the realism in this case would work in societies advantage in that these people would be satisfied doing this stuff on holograms and don't need real humans to capture those feelings since the fake humans would be so good at feeling like a human being. Granted it didn't work in "Trek" Neither did the Jem-Haddar Odo tried to help in "Abandoned" or Lon Sudder were satisfied with holodeck violence.


Jason

 

[Paul Weaver]

How many would ever leave a holodeck. A universe created just as you wanted? You’d effectively be a god. Forget superman, you’re omnipotent.

If you were forced to leave, what would withdrawal symptoms be like?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If Picard and Kirk can leave the Nexus, then people can leave the holodeck.

In both cases: They'd know it's not real.

 

[Jayson1]

How many would ever leave a holodeck. A universe created just as you wanted? You’d effectively be a god. Forget superman, you’re omnipotent.

If you were forced to leave, what would withdrawal symptoms be like?

Depends on the nature of the holodeck. You would still need food and to go to the bathroom and provide maintence on it so people would need reasons to get out. Me I would mostly though live in it. Though you would still want to get out from time to time to see family and friends. I guess you would need a job but nobody would feel like having to make tons of money. Why work for money to buy things and go to places when you can do it for free on the holodeck. It would destroy the economy. Basically you would have a "Ready Player One" situation.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

I have a question. Would you recreate dead loved ones on it and eventually start to treat them like the real people? Do you think people would use the holodeck to try and avoid the pain of loosing people you love?


Jason

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It also depends what the price of being in the holodeck is. You leave the holodeck because you need to continue to make money to be able to afford more time in the holodeck!

@Jayson1 It could go either way, I think. For people who just need an outlet for their anger, sure. For true psychopaths who like hurting people, the holodeck wouldn't be enough for them forever. They'd know deep down they weren't really hurting someone. But it'd embolden them to try in real life.

For normal people there's also the risk of changing people's idea of pain thresholds. Like, they don't want to hurt anyone, but in the heat of passion the fall back on the habits they learned in the holodeck with people who will react favorably to any action they may take.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

One thing possibly worth mentioning. I read an article about the neurology of psychopaths. The only two major differences in their brain is they don't feel empathy, and they are motivated by rewards and not by punishments.

Sound a little like the conditions on the holodeck? People you don't need to feel empathy for, where there's no punishment for bad behavior.

I don't think it'd be an effective outlet for people who feel that way naturally, but I worry that it would condition people toward behaving that way in the real world.

 

[marlboro]

Moneyless society, baby! I'm never getting out of this sucker. But, if I did, i dont think it would work out too well for me.

You know that scene in ST 3 where Bones tries to use the neck pinch on that dude? I think if I was forced out of my holodeck cacoon I'd be a cross of that mixed in with a bit of Bill Mumy from It's a Good Life. I'd just wander the streets impotently wishing people into cornfields until they locked me up.

 

[Jayson1]

It also depends what the price of being in the holodeck is. You leave the holodeck because you need to continue to make money to be able to afford more time in the holodeck!

@Jayson1 It could go either way, I think. For people who just need an outlet for their anger, sure. For true psychopaths who like hurting people, the holodeck wouldn't be enough for them forever. They'd know deep down they weren't really hurting someone. But it'd embolden them to try in real life.

For normal people there's also the risk of changing people's idea of pain thresholds. Like, they don't want to hurt anyone, but in the heat of passion the fall back on the habits they learned in the holodeck with people who will react favorably to any action they may take.

People still have empathy so I think they could handle a increase in violence. I would worry more about Depression and PDS. Imagine going and fighting a war on the holodeck. Not to mention I was thinking about what I hear about the internet. People on the internet are real people. Yet I keep hearing about how people who stay on the internet to long begin to feel more and more depressed and unhappy. You would think that might not happen since you are talking to real people but seems to happen all the time. PLus the fact that you control all the situations and holograms might become a issue. I think people need rejection and pain in order for things to feel real. You can't ever really loose in a place were you have all the power over everything. Unless you turn the safeties off which would bring up other questions.

Jason

 

[F. King Daniel]

How many would ever leave a holodeck. A universe created just as you wanted? You’d effectively be a god. Forget superman, you’re omnipotent.

If you were forced to leave, what would withdrawal symptoms be like?

Paradise gets boring in a hurry.


But I worry about the kids raised on holodecks. How would they know what's real and what isn't? Imagine growing up with Mum or Dad summoning people from thin air on a daily basis and having no concept of the difference between vanishing disposable holo-people and real ones...

 

[Jayson1]

Wait are we talking Matrix style Holodeck, again? If you live in the holodeck you might not ever have to deal with real people anymore. I mean you would still need women creating children though I am guessing maybe tech could get around real people needing to have sex or even get pregant. Figuring out who raises the kids would be a thing I guess. Would people even want to be parents anymore to real children? Why create a real child who you have no idea on what he or she can do when instead just create a holographic child destined to be the exact kind of child you would want to raise. Real people raise holographic children and real children are raised by holographic parents could be the big thing in this world.


Jason

 

[Captain Rob]

"Vulcan Love Slave: T'Pol does Risa". T'Pol has long beautiful hair and is only dressed in a Orion Slave girl costume. Do Vulcans tan?

 

[thribs]

Like everything, it will eventually be used for sex.

 

[Jayson1]

Like everything, it will eventually be used for sex.

I think Incels would disagree!

Jason

 

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