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Which episode of Voyager would you recommend to a DS9 fan?

Glad to hear. However, it was confusing for the speedy readers like Locutus who went over my post like it was a speed bump.

How about now?
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I got through Enterprise's pilot and I will confess I spent the first 20 mins saying "OOH, I recognize that face, and that face *episodic flashbacks*" :rommie:

I'm done being silly now. :D :D Thank you, Kelis.
 
Let me know if you succeed this time.
I'm watching DS9 for the third time in my life now in the hope that I might get to like it but it is still as boring as on the first two viewings. Still, it's a lot more interesting than all the other Trek shows except Voyager. Picard kills me with boredom and whoever thought that ENT was a ST show (or a show at all) must have been out of their mind. (I don't know TOS, I saw a few episodes and those seemed better but very slow-paced).

Having said that, there are about ten episodes that I like. If you like Voyager basically for the same reason as I do (the family feeling), try something with the two Siskos. EXPLORERS from season 3 springs to mind.
THE VISITOR is again about the two Siskos and it's a big favourite with everyone.
Other episodes that I quite liked include the ones that have to do with Kira, although a lot of people hate her - I don't understand why. (Of course I don't, a lot of people hate Voyager too and I don't understand that, either.)
Season 1: DUET. Season 2: NECESSARY EVIL. Season 3: SECOND SKIN.
I find that the show is boring as it is and when Worf joins them in season 4, he ruins it even further (all those episodes about Klingon rituals ... yawn). But I'd try these ones if I were you.
Also if you like funny holodeck episodes, try Season 4's OUR MAN BASHIR and Season 7's BADDA-BING, BADDA-BANG. These are episodes that put some interest back in an otherwise boring show.
Just an opinion, of course.

Uh oh. That's exactly why I like Voyager. Well mostly. I was also hoping for some difficulties that would have me sitting on the edge of my seat but that only happened twice. Oh well.
Thank you for list. I made a note and now I'm off to watch an episode before bed.
 
For Voyager fans, here are some of my Deep Space Nine suggestions:

"The House of Quark" is a funny episode that nevertheless balances its humor with a decent amount of suspense and even pathos. It has that blend of fun and seriousness in tone that I think Voyager regularly achieved and that I miss in many of the other Trek spin-offs.

"Past Tense" is an exciting two-part time travel story that achieves something of the scope you get in the big Voyager two parters.

"Children of Time" is an episode that follows a cool science fictional "what-if" scenario to an interesting conclusion.

"The Begotten" is a wonderful episode that reminds me a great deal of "Drone," but it is one of the episodes that's difficult to jump into without context. By contrast "It's Only a Paper Moon," contains a big spoiler about something that happens earlier, but if you're not concerned about spoilers, the episode itself stands on its own and is an artful exploration of what holograms really are and do. It's an episode the doctor would like.

I'm also tempted to recommend "Far Beyond the Stars." There's nothing in it particularly for Voyager fans, but nothing antithetical to Voyager, either. And its high quality makes it one of my recommendations for anyone. It's maybe my favorite episode of Trek (for one of the few contenders in my opinion, see my above post on "Lineage").
I knw Far Beyond the Stars is widely regarded as a great episode and many people's favorite...but I don't love it. I like seeing the actors play different parts out of makeup and the beginning story line is interesting. But towards the end it just feels preachy to me.
 
"Past Tense" is an exciting two-part time travel story that achieves something of the scope you get in the big Voyager two parters.
It is interesting that you should recommend that. I'm a die-hard Voyager fan and in my opinion PAST TENSE is the same as FUTURE'S END but in a lot worse way, mainly because it is so dark (like almost everything else on DS9). So if people like VOY for the family feeling, which I guess most VOY fans do, I would really suggest that they stay away from PAST TENSE, esp. if they like FUTURE'S END.
Again, just an opinion.
 
It is interesting that you should recommend that. I'm a die-hard Voyager fan and in my opinion PAST TENSE is the same as FUTURE'S END but in a lot worse way, mainly because it is so dark (like almost everything else on DS9). So if people like VOY for the family feeling, which I guess most VOY fans do, I would really suggest that they stay away from PAST TENSE, esp. if they like FUTURE'S END.
Again, just an opinion.
I agree with you entirely, because I don't like "Future's End," precisely because I think it's too light and silly; especially compared with some of Voyager's other cinematic two parters.

The thing is that I appreciate comic relief, and I don't like intensely dark fiction--I'm not a fan of the new Battlestar Galactica, for example. But there's a wide range in tone from light to dark, and "Future's End" just falls too far on the other side of that range to be one of my favorites. As for "Past Tense," it is dark, probably darker than any of the Voyager two parters I can think of, but not oppressively so. The characters are likable. And the writers wisely complicate the ethics of the situation by adding redeemable characteristics to the villains rather than the tired old trick of adding evil characteristics to the heroes. Ultimately, there's a message consistent with the values of Trek, which gives the episode meaning, if not necessarily hope. I'd say it's dark on the level of some of the darker Voyager episodes, such as "Nemesis" and "Latent Image" (both favorites of mine, by the way).
 
I think Real Life is very DSniny.
I wouldn't say so-and that's partly why I'm not as big a DS9 fan Trek isn't supposed to be "real life" it's supposed to be a better world. But the writers didn't take utopia seriously though so that's what you got.

I'd say living witness, year of hell, dark frontier, nemesis for starters as an answer to the question though.
 
"Living Witness" is a very good episode, but I think it would be harder to appreciate it if you weren't already familiar with the Voyager characters.

DS9 and Voyager are very different shows. It's sort of like asking "which episodes of I Love Lucy would you recommend for fans of Seinfeld?" Both are comedies, both are good, but in different ways.

I think it's very important that you learn to like a character, so that you empathize with them even in episodes that may not be the best. If you dislike a character it's hard to care what happens when you're watching an episode with them being in peril.


So here's my list of recommended episodes by character.*Not necessarily the series very best episodes*

The Cloud (not a great episode by any stretch, but it was a first season episode that was designed as a "get to know you" for the charcters)

Janeway: Counterpoint
Harry Kim: Timeless
Neelix: Fair Trade
Chakotay: Nemesis
B'Elana: Faces
Seven: Drone
Doc: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
Tuvok: Gravity

Episodes that encapsulate the relationships between two characters:

Seven and Doc: Someone to Watch Over Me
Paris and B'Elana: Day of Honor
Paris and Harry: The Chute


Two episodes that are just good, classic Trek:
Blink of an Eye
One Small Step


And, a good ensemble episode from the last season:

Workforce

Two very good episodes that, imo, you can't fully appreciate until you know a bit about the characters:
Year of Hell
Living Witness
 
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"Living Witness" is a very good episode, but I think it would be harder to appreciate it if you weren't already familiar with the Voyager characters.

DS9 and Voyager are very different shows. It's sort of like asking "which episodes of I Love Lucy would you recommend for fans of Seinfeld?" Both are comedies, both are good, but in different ways.

I think it's very important that you learn to like a character, so that you empathize with them even in episodes that may not be the best. If you dislike a character it's hard to care what happens when you're watching an episode with them being in peril.


So here's my list of recommended episodes by character.*Not necessarily the series very best episodes*

The Cloud (not a great episode by any stretch, but it was a first season episode that was designed as a "get to know you" for the charcters)

Janeway: Counterpoint
Harry Kim: Timeless
Neelix: Fair Trade
Chakotay: Nemesis
B'Elana: Faces
Seven: Drone
Doc: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
Tuvok: Gravity

Episodes that encapsulate the relationships between two characters:

Seven and Doc: Someone to Watch Over Me
Paris and B'Elana: Day of Honor
Paris and Harry: The Chute


Two episodes that are just good, classic Trek:
Blink of an Eye
One Small Step


And, a good ensemble episode from the last season:

Workforce

Two very good episodes that, imo, you can't fully appreciate until you know a bit about the characters:
Year of Hell
Living Witness
An impressive list.
I couldn't choose myself, I love them (almost) all. But yours is an impressive list.
No recommendation for a good Tommyboy ep? And what about Kes?
 
I'd say "Warlord" is probably my favorite Kes episode. She just didn't get a lot to do on the show. I don't think there was a Tom Paris solo episode that I really liked.

Edited to add: I don't dislike the character of Tom Paris, but he just never "clicked" for me. He's a lot like Harry Kim in that respect.

Defining characteristics:

1) Sarcastic one liners. That's cool, BUT you have to be able to write the kind of dialog that makes that character work. Think of the dialog from Marlon Brando's "The Wild One"

Chick: Hey, Johnny - what are you rebelling against?

Brando: What have ya got?

2) Young. He looked a little too old with his receding hairline to be playing the part of the angry young man.

3) Love of 20th century pop culture. It just seemed forced, like most of the time when Trek writers insert this stuff into 24th century stories.

4) Hotshot pilot. Trek really doesn't give the character many opportunities to really show it off outside of one or two episodes. Starfleet ships are luxury sedans, not hot rods.

5) Relationship with B'Lanna. I like the fact that they took their time developing the relationship. Probably the best part of the character for me. But I don't think Trek writers are very good at romantic relationships in general. A lot of their bickering and stuff just comes across as stale rehashes of lines you would hear on a sitcom or bad 80s drama.


having said all of that, none of those criticisms actually made me dislike the character. It's just that none of those things made me find him interesting. Just like Harry's love of his parents, girlfriend, and playing the clarinet made me interested in his character.

Robert Duncan McNeill does have an inherent likeability, though. many of the Voyager cast did, imo.
 
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I was actually thinking "Remember" would be a good recommendation for Next Generation fans. It has that quiet, introspective quality of The Next Generation, and like so many episodes of The Next Generation, it's episodic but plunges into the psychological depths of an issue.

But it's much more entertaining and less dull than Next Generation episodes. It's one of my favorites from Voyager. I love the way Roxann Dawson manages to simultaneously play B'Elanna and the alien woman, developing the characters of both. This episode really demonstrates why she's one of Trek's strongest actors.
 
I was actually thinking "Remember" would be a good recommendation for Next Generation fans. It has that quiet, introspective quality of The Next Generation, and like so many episodes of The Next Generation, it's episodic but plunges into the psychological depths of an issue.

But it's much more entertaining and less dull than Next Generation episodes. It's one of my favorites from Voyager. I love the way Roxann Dawson manages to simultaneously play B'Elanna and the alien woman, developing the characters of both. This episode really demonstrates why she's one of Trek's strongest actors.
I completely agree. This kind of reminds me of The Inner Light. I think TNG fans would like it. And of course I completely agree about Roxann Dawson.
 
I'd say "Warlord" is probably my favorite Kes episode. She just didn't get a lot to do on the show. I don't think there was a Tom Paris solo episode that I really liked.

Edited to add: I don't dislike the character of Tom Paris, but he just never "clicked" for me. He's a lot like Harry Kim in that respect.

Defining characteristics:

1) Sarcastic one liners. That's cool, BUT you have to be able to write the kind of dialog that makes that character work. Think of the dialog from Marlon Brando's "The Wild One"

Chick: Hey, Johnny - what are you rebelling against?

Brando: What have ya got?

2) Young. He looked a little too old with his receding hairline to be playing the part of the angry young man.

3) Love of 20th century pop culture. It just seemed forced, like most of the time when Trek writers insert this stuff into 24th century stories.

4) Hotshot pilot. Trek really doesn't give the character many opportunities to really show it off outside of one or two episodes. Starfleet ships are luxury sedans, not hot rods.

5) Relationship with B'Lanna. I like the fact that they took their time developing the relationship. Probably the best part of the character for me. But I don't think Trek writers are very good at romantic relationships in general. A lot of their bickering and stuff just comes across as stale rehashes of lines you would hear on a sitcom or bad 80s drama.


having said all of that, none of those criticisms actually made me dislike the character. It's just that none of those things made me find him interesting. Just like Harry's love of his parents, girlfriend, and playing the clarinet made me interested in his character.

Robert Duncan McNeill does have an inherent likeability, though. many of the Voyager cast did, imo.
As for your comments on Paris:
1) I really love his sarcastic one-liners.

2) He looked young to me. As a matter of fact I once worked at the same place as a guy who was almost bald at 22.

3) OK, they went a bit over the top there. If there had been just some interest for 20th century popular music, I mean we still love Beethoven and those guys. But here it was almost everything. I find it hard that anyone would have such an interest for everything in a certain century.

4) I liked his role as a hotshot pilot. Worked fine for me.

5) I got the impression that the Paris-Torres relationship was created just to show that both characters still were main characters. They were both sadly neglected when Seven took over the show. However, it worked OK for me.
The Trek writers were incapable of writing about relationships. They couldn't do it neither on TNG nor on Voyager. Everytime they tried, it became stale and strained.

As for Paris, he's actually one of my favorite characters. I really like his humor and funny remarks.

Best Paris episode? There are a lot of great Paris episodes, I find it hard to pick a specific one. "Caretaker", "Ex Post Facto", "Basics", "Future's End" are great. Not to mention "Parturition" where his funny humor is great to watch.

As for Kes: "Cold Fire" is my favorite.
 
I'd recommend Prey-lots of interpersonal drama, and an ambiguous ending.

I know some people say it was a cheat-but I felt personally moved when Seven asserted herself and said Janeway was repressing her individuality-great episode.
 
Probably Tuvix.

Fantastic story born out of a pretty silly premise, but what an emotional punch at the end.
Voyager at it's best.
 
I wouldn't call lineage dark. It's more like crazy, the way she casually dismisses large sequences of her daughter's DNA, you have to wonder why she doesn't simply make one from scratch. Plus it ends with the conventional "no harm done" final sequence which cheapens whatever drama that was left in the episode, once you had gotten over its silliness.
That was really the end of an arc for b'lanna though-she had finally come to terms with her Klingon heritage and I thought it worked well.
 
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