Which episode of Voyager would you recommend to a DS9 fan?

[Sophie74656]

Janeway's obstinacy and self-delusion until it's too late to do anything about it. thinking that as replacements they'd still be welcome home as if they were the real thing...

Just look at what they did to O'Brien's clone and how indifferently they watched him die.

I did wonder what would happen if they didn't melt and made it to Earth...and then a few years later the real crew showed up.

in regards to Obrien's clone..I don't think it was a similar situation. Wasn't he a bomb or something?

 

[locutus101]

I did wonder what would happen if they didn't melt and made it to Earth...and then a few years later the real crew showed up.

in regards to Obrien's clone..I don't think it was a similar situation. Wasn't he a bomb or something?

He was sincere. So much so that we thought he was the real thing for most of the episode. He wasn't literally a bomb, he was supposed to do something at some point but they could have stunned him and try to save him by finding out how to defuse that thing. They never bothered. So much for being humane and enlightened.

 

[weissmr]

"Lineage" !!

This is perhaps one of the darkest episodes of Voyager and has all sorts of ethical dilemmas. I realize it is almost exclusively about one character, but I think Niners would appreciate it.

I also love "The Thaw" and niner or not, it is a great episode of TREK. I go back to it a lot.

And yes, we LOVE "Counterpoint"! I am going to try to get a lady friend of mine to watch it. you know...romance (AT HER REQUEST!).

As for "Threshold" ....then why not ANY episode.

 

[locutus101]

"Lineage" !!

This is perhaps one of the darkest episodes of Voyager and has all sorts of ethical dilemmas. I realize it is almost exclusively about one character, but I think Niners would appreciate it.
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I wouldn't call lineage dark. It's more like crazy, the way she casually dismisses large sequences of her daughter's DNA, you have to wonder why she doesn't simply make one from scratch. Plus it ends with the conventional "no harm done" final sequence which cheapens whatever drama that was left in the episode, once you had gotten over its silliness.

 

[DigificWriter]

I would also hesitate to call Lineage 'dark', but it definitely does feel DS9-esque in terms of the way it's entirely character-driven without any external threat(s) whatsoever.

 

[weissmr]

I suppose I think of the episode as "dark" because B'Elanna's motivation is almost entirely based on self-hatred. We all hate certain parts of ourselves, so I think the episode is both relatable and extreme. I wouldn't categorize that as "light"...gray at best.

As for the inconsequential episodic nature...yeah..welcome to 90s tv. (biggest miss w/ voyager - why make a linear concept episodic??)

 

[Catarina]

As a DS9 fan what would you recommend for a Voyager fan? I just survived the pilot episode of Deep Space Nine. (again. I'm trying to get further along this time)

 

[Thomas Eugene]

As a DS9 fan what would you recommend for a Voyager fan? I just survived the pilot episode of Deep Space Nine. (again. I'm trying to get further along this time)

Let me know if you succeed this time.
I'm watching DS9 for the third time in my life now in the hope that I might get to like it but it is still as boring as on the first two viewings. Still, it's a lot more interesting than all the other Trek shows except Voyager. Picard kills me with boredom and whoever thought that ENT was a ST show (or a show at all) must have been out of their mind. (I don't know TOS, I saw a few episodes and those seemed better but very slow-paced).

Having said that, there are about ten episodes that I like. If you like Voyager basically for the same reason as I do (the family feeling), try something with the two Siskos. EXPLORERS from season 3 springs to mind.
THE VISITOR is again about the two Siskos and it's a big favourite with everyone.
Other episodes that I quite liked include the ones that have to do with Kira, although a lot of people hate her - I don't understand why. (Of course I don't, a lot of people hate Voyager too and I don't understand that, either.)
Season 1: DUET. Season 2: NECESSARY EVIL. Season 3: SECOND SKIN.
I find that the show is boring as it is and when Worf joins them in season 4, he ruins it even further (all those episodes about Klingon rituals ... yawn). But I'd try these ones if I were you.
Also if you like funny holodeck episodes, try Season 4's OUR MAN BASHIR and Season 7's BADDA-BING, BADDA-BANG. These are episodes that put some interest back in an otherwise boring show.
Just an opinion, of course.

 

[locutus101]

I did wonder what would happen if they didn't melt and made it to Earth...and then a few years later the real crew showed up.
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I think it would have been awkward at the doctor's once they discovered that they were all made of silver blood.

 

[DigificWriter]

I hadn't ever stopped to consider what it is about DS9 that might appeal to a hardcore Voyager fan before, but in pondering the question, the first things that come to mind are Captive Pursuit (which features some aliens who are somewhat similar to the Hirogen, albeit less overtly hostile), Q-Less (which plants the seeds for Q's characterization during his Voyager appearances, particularly The Q and the Grey), the 2-part episode The Maquis (which introduces the eponymous terrorist group), Defiant (which also features the Maquis), and Crossover (which introduces the 24th Century Mirror Universe and, like the episode Living Witness, puts some crazy twists on the characterizations of the DS9 crew).

 

[KelisThePoet]

I suppose I think of the episode as "dark" because B'Elanna's motivation is almost entirely based on self-hatred. We all hate certain parts of ourselves, so I think the episode is both relatable and extreme. I wouldn't categorize that as "light"...gray at best.

I think self-hatred may be a bit of an exaggeration. Spock is a hybrid who basically chooses to live as a Vulcan. B'Elanna is a hybrid who basically chooses to live as a human. She's not nearly so seemingly placid or logically consistent about her choice as is Spock, because for one, she's not trying to be a logical Vulcan, and two, she can't hide half of her physiology as effectively. But I'm still not sure her emotions rise to the level of self-hatred, even in "Lineage." I think it's more about her fear of that part of herself, coupled with a genuine desire for her child to have an easier life than she has. For all his logic, if Spock had a way to eliminate human genes from his offspring, I think he'd be tempted--original series Spock, that is. Movie Spock becomes much more at peace with the entirety of who he is.

I would also hesitate to call Lineage 'dark', but it definitely does feel DS9-esque in terms of the way it's entirely character-driven without any external threat(s) whatsoever.

I never thought about that aspect of the episode in comparison with Deep Space Nine, but it's part of the reason it's one of my favorite episodes, if not my favorite episode outright of the franchise. It's perfect science fiction. Remove the issues of alien hybridity and genetic engineering and you have no story. Yet the story feels so intimate and and (to use a term that would annoy Spock) "human" because it relies on no alien-of-the-week or miraculous new technology to drive the plot. I also think the story's limit to one episode is a related strength. It's a tightly constructed development of one character's motivations from beginning to middle to end.

 

[locutus101]

I hadn't ever stopped to consider what it is about DS9 that might appeal to a hardcore Voyager fan before, but in pondering the question, the first things that come to mind are Captive Pursuit (which features some aliens who are somewhat similar to the Hirogen, albeit less overtly hostile), Q-Less (which plants the seeds for Q's characterization during his Voyager appearances, particularly The Q and the Grey), the 2-part episode The Maquis (which introduces the eponymous terrorist group), Defiant (which also features the Maquis), and Crossover (which introduces the 24th Century Mirror Universe and, like the episode Living Witness, puts some crazy twists on the characterizations of the DS9 crew).

I think you have it backward. You're supposed to tell people who already like DS9, what episodes of voyager they might like not the reverse.

 

[KelisThePoet]

For Voyager fans, here are some of my Deep Space Nine suggestions:

"The House of Quark" is a funny episode that nevertheless balances its humor with a decent amount of suspense and even pathos. It has that blend of fun and seriousness in tone that I think Voyager regularly achieved and that I miss in many of the other Trek spin-offs.

"Past Tense" is an exciting two-part time travel story that achieves something of the scope you get in the big Voyager two parters.

"Children of Time" is an episode that follows a cool science fictional "what-if" scenario to an interesting conclusion.

"The Begotten" is a wonderful episode that reminds me a great deal of "Drone," but it is one of the episodes that's difficult to jump into without context. By contrast "It's Only a Paper Moon," contains a big spoiler about something that happens earlier, but if you're not concerned about spoilers, the episode itself stands on its own and is an artful exploration of what holograms really are and do. It's an episode the doctor would like.

I'm also tempted to recommend "Far Beyond the Stars." There's nothing in it particularly for Voyager fans, but nothing antithetical to Voyager, either. And its high quality makes it one of my recommendations for anyone. It's maybe my favorite episode of Trek (for one of the few contenders in my opinion, see my above post on "Lineage").

 

[locutus101]

Yes, you're right, there are a lot of similarities between the Begotten and Drone. I noticed that myself, some time ago.

 

[DigificWriter]

I think you have it backward. You're supposed to tell people who already like DS9, what episodes of voyager they might like not the reverse.

You clearly missed Catarina's query about episodes of DS9 that would appeal to someone who is a Voyager fan but not a fan of that series.

 

[Catarina]

No, no. I thread hijacked by asking the reverse question. This person was responding to that inquiry.

I think you have it backward. You're supposed to tell people who already like DS9, what episodes of voyager they might like not the reverse.

 

[KelisThePoet]

[shrugs]
I think the reverse question is relevant for discussion in the same thread. As the original poster, I don't feel like the thread has been hijacked.

 

[KelisThePoet]

Yes, you're right, there are a lot of similarities between the Begotten and Drone. I noticed that myself, some time ago.

Both episodes remind me of the Next Generation episode "The Offspring." I've wondered if that one was the germ for these.

 

[DigificWriter]

[shrugs]
I think the reverse question is relevant for discussion in the same thread. As the original poster, I don't feel like the thread has been hijacked.

I don't think the thread's been 'hijacked' either.

Since Far Beyond the Stars was brought up earlier, I'm going to second the mention of it as a Voyager-esque episode, and in fact had thought about mentioning it myself as being similar to Voyager's Before and After, Timeless, and Endgame in offering up a 'what if' scenario, albeit one of a different type.

 

[locutus101]

Both episodes remind me of the Next Generation episode "The Offspring." I've wondered if that one was the germ for these.

I am sure it is. Good find!