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Poll Which Enterprise do you think we'll see?
- Thread starter Lord Garth
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I get the impression from the show that after the synth attack, the Federation doesn't seem to have the resources to build a bunch of new ships, let alone gigantic vessels like the Odyssey class.
Since they already created a CGI model of the Enterprise-D, it's possible that we'll see other Galaxy class ships in PIC, but as I said above, I get the feeling that they want to portray the Federation as not having enough ships, so they might not use it again.
Unless they show a flashback to Riker's time on the ship (or conveniently place an Eaglemoss model of it in his house as set dressing), I doubt we'll see the Titan either (unless they reuse said Galaxy class CGI model above to represent the Titan.)
The U.S.S. Ambassador was never seen on screen. The Enterprise-C, the Zhukov, the Excalibur and the Yamaguchi were the only Ambassador class ships shown on screen.
The Enterprise-B was either decommissioned or destroyed decades before PIC. Why would we see it now?
Well, golly, if it’s on a movie poster....
But you’re missing what they’re showing. The impulse exhausts are angled diagonally to shoot toward the Bussards. And even in the picture quoted, look at how little room the because has not to incinerate the pylons. It’s exhaust — it doesn’t go straight back, and even if it did, it would burn then with every turn. We’re talking about enough thrust to push a heavy starship to 1/4 c.
Just because they're angled doesn't mean the thrust goes out in that direction. the actual engines behind the flat part might be facing directly back.
And just because up is up today doesn’t mean it will be up tomorrow, but let’s not stray that afar. We’re Trekkies. We can rationalize anything. But if we’re talking about the overall work of a designer, stuff like this is mighty irksome.
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Losing Mars and Utopia Planetia was a serious blow but I have no doubt there are plenty of other shipyards that can be used, if they do intend to use the Odyssey class I have no doubt there would be plenty of places to build them, they may just go for the Enterprise E refit instead though which is fine or even Geordi in the Challenger.
There is no doubt that Starfleet was short of ships after the Dominion war, however I would expect that to have been resolved by 2399 as it has been 24 years, the one thing that can't be rushed is officer training so that could be an area of weakness.
The ships that were going to be used in the rescue were new ships built by Geordi, they were lost in the attack on Mars but Starfleets own ships should have been mostly untouched, it must be said however that a lot of resources went into building those rescue ships and that could potentially have meant shortages in other areas of ship building for a time but that shouldn't be an issue now unless it is outright referenced in Picard.
Yeah I included the Ambassador as the first of the class is always named after the class itself, I thought I had seen some Ambassadors in TNG/DS9 but I haven't watched them since their first run, I know we we haven't seen many.
1. The Romulan evacuation fleet was not built by Geordi, just like the Jellyfish was not built by Geordi. That's just comic-book-tie-in nonsense.
2. After the fleet was destroyed, Picard couldn't even convince Starfleet to use mothballed ships with reserve personnel from the shipyards they had left. And Admiral Clancy specifically told Picard that Starfleet didn't have enough active-duty ships to help him continue the evacuation. They are painting Starfleet as quite weak and undermanned in 2399.
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1. OK doesn't actually matter though does it, the ships were being built on Mars specifically for the rescue, they were lost along with the resources that went into them but that was 14 years earlier, plenty of time to increase facility capacity elsewhere.
2. He already knew they didn't really want to do it anyway and he called them on it, plus they would have had to take ships away from patrol and defense duties and that would be asking for trouble.
They were willing to attempt the rescue (grudgingly) when they thought they had the time to build a fleet for the purpose, I can't say I blame them for saying no when it would require them to use ships in active service as that is very risky and could have been taken advantage of by the Federations enemies.
Ultimately they could still have attempted a limited rescue if their had been the political will to do so, there was not so it didn't happen, I suspect the biggest barrier of them all was finding enough planets that had the resources and good will to take them.
Weak is open to interpretation. The United States had the most powerful military in the world, spending more than the next 10 countries combined on it, and then we spent another two trillion because it wasn’t strong enough....okay.
I don’t think, however strong or weak it was, that was the reason they didn’t help the Romulans. Raffi had an alternate, far less ambitious plan, and they rejected even it.
I don’t think, however strong or weak it was, that was the reason they didn’t help the Romulans. Raffi had an alternate, far less ambitious plan, and they rejected even it.
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Yeah politics was the real slayer of the rescue attempt.
I bet some of the Federation members were not happy at all with the attempt at saving the Romulans as some of them have long memories.
I would suspect the Andorians and Tellarites were some of the loudest against it.
1. No, it doesn't matter.
2. I'm using evidence mentioned in the show as to why I believe Starfleet is weakened to the point where they don't have enough ships left, to help Picard or otherwise. Yes, there was a political reason why Starfleet didn't want to help Picard after the synth attack, but that was ancillary to the fact that their primary shipbuilding facility was destroyed. And really, my point was that I don't expect to see mammoth new ships like the Odyssey class. Any large capital ships like the Sovereign, Galaxy and Nebula classes would only exist if they were built prior to the war and had survived.
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Nope not buying it, yes losing Mars was a serious blow but it was by no means the only option available to an organisation as big as Starfleet, just having one facility however large would be asking for it to be attacked and knocked out, that is most likely why they allowed Mars to be used to build the fleet as they had capacity elsewhere for building ships.
They could have gone ahead in a more limited capacity if they had wanted to but chose not to, the exact reasons for that are something we will find out this season or next.
The attack on Mars was the perfect excuse to fold on the Romulans and avoid the political fallout that was brewing, I understand Starfleets reasoning but we may find out in Picard that it was the cabal that was behind it.
I get it, you don't want the Odyssey to be shown in Picard, I would be open to it, the decision has already been made so we shall see which it is.
You're welcome to buy whatever you want. Clancy said Starfleet doesn't have enough ships, and I have no reason to doubt her. And no, I don't want to see the Odyssey in PIC, mainly because it's a crappy non-canon design I don't like, but also because it doesn't seem to fit the mood of the show.
I believe the B just 'disappeared' in B-Canon, but there's no canon ending. It could had had a good career and then was retired to make way for the C. I think we know is that it was Garret's first command, and was dead by 2344, so maybe it was introduced as late as 2340, but that means either the B had a lifespan of around fifty years, or there was a gap between B and C. Lost-Era novels say it was 2232, so maybe the B was 2293-2230, which is a good career.
If they do go with the 'disappeared' route it could pop up...but maybe more like the Horizon and Essex than floating around.
Well, there are lots of reasons to doubt her. She’s the voice of the establishment that chose this path. One that we’re learning is far more complicated than publicized.
Meh. I'm not a fan of the "E", but it is fiction. Surely someone can 'tech' the 'tech' if it ever becomes a story point.
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