Which Crew had the Better Send off? TOS or TNG.

[velour]

No question about it, in my mind, TOS was infinitely better.

TUC, the movie itself was only a so-so movie. But I thought the ending was as good as you could expect. It had the right mix of nostalgia and optimism about the future.

The autographs/signatures before the closing credits was an excellent idea, especially with the old ST theme music thrown it at the end.

While the movie itself, as I mentioned above, was only ok not great, I thought the theme, "undiscovered country", was fitting for the finale; unlike the nonsense psycho babble, er, battle between Picard and Shinzon in NEM.

Uhura states they've been ordered back to dock to be decommissioned in the movie

I know, yet there is Kirk's last log entry.

I think Kirk was simply waxing poetic about the future. It would've been a downer if he said the ship was being sent to the scrapyard.

As corny as it may have been, I loved Kirk's last log entry. It was sentimental and yet optimistic about the future, about the "undiscovered country". I also liked the "second star to the right and straight on till morning" line. It was so Kirk-like and corny. It reminded me of his last line in TMP "thataway".

 

[Franklin]

Well, since Nemesis wasn't supposed to be the final film for the TNG-cast, it has to be TUC.

^Yuh. TNG didn't get a send-off, so TOS wins by default. And if it was best TV send-off, the reverse would be true.

Agreed on both counts. In my opinion, "All Good Things" was one of the best Trek episodes of any of the series. I'd also nominate it for the best "send-off" episode of any TV series in television history that was on the air long enough to merit one.

For what it's worth, I'd say AGT was ten times better than TUC, and I liked TUC.

NEM is more like "Turnabout Intruder", a disappointing, premature, and rather sad way for each series to end.

 

[suarezguy]

The original series crew by far, the story of TUC (Spock alienating Kirk and then saving him, Kirk and the characters in general dealing with and overcoming their flaws and the relation with the Klingons changing for the better) was great for a farewell while Nemesis felt very tired and unoriginal.

 

[xvicente]

I've said this before but I'll say it again: In the last scene of ST6, the Enterprise flies with no one at the helm directly into a star and explodes. It's right there in the movie.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

TOS send off had the expectation hanging all over it from the start of the film. Add to that, the TOS crew's filmed history (even with less hours than TNG) was so rich (with warmer, earthy characters), that there was much more audience emotional investment in the(frankly) greater adventures to trigger deep memories. Part of those memories was TOS' always being viewed as the ground breaker of the franchise (despite spin-offs dipping toes in areas TOS did not), that the fans were part of something unique as it was happening over the decades. The signature send off was just the culmination of that emotional investment.

TNG, whether some refer to NEM or the TV finale--just failed to generate that kind of feeling.

 

[Lucky]

The TOS crew. TUC was a brilliant final film that really felt like the end of an era. Most of the characters got a chance to shine, and the final shot is very touching.

I think NEM is underrated myself, but as a final film, it just wasn't as good, though it could have been much worse. Some things were nice about it though, like seeing Riker get command of the Titan and marry Deanna.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'm not a big fan of TUC, but it wins by default. Whereas I find TUC to be flawed and underwhelming, NEM is a steaming pile of crap.

As for the fate of the Ent-A....It's commonly believed that she was originally another ship whose name and registry had been changed for Kirk and his crew. Thus it's possible that with that crew's departure and the commissioning of the Ent-B, the Ent-A had her original name and registry restored and continued her service with a new crew.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yep. It's a no-brainer.

Spoiler: Do you really need to check?!?

TOS.

 

[Mage]

Even though I really like Nemesis, despite its flaws, TUC was the better movie, despite ITS flaws.

 

[eyeresist]

I assumed this thread would be about All Good Things...

I think TUC is overrated and NEM is underrated, so I voted the "wrong" way.

I've said this before but I'll say it again: In the last scene of ST6, the Enterprise flies with no one at the helm directly into a star and explodes. It's right there in the movie.

A Viking funeral, you say?


(*I know, that's not what Viking funerals were actually like.)

 

[Campe]

If you're going to rate every finale (bolding the appropriate ones to this conversation), my personal view would look like this:

1. DS9 - "What You Leave Behind"
2. TNG - "All Good Things..."
3. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
4. VOY - "Endgame"
5. ENT - "These Are the Voyages"
6. TOS - "Turnabout Intruder"
7. Star Trek Nemesis
8. TAS - "The Counter-Clock Incident"

Nemesis, like for many others, just left a bad taste in my mouth. For a final journey, it just felt disappointing. The ending with Riker leaving felt tacked on. Data's death was utterly pointless, cheap and contrived (plus it felt like he had a death wish for much of the film). I also don't get the thought that it is the most "cinematic" of all of the TNG films. There are far too many obvious cheap soundstages and shots of computer screens to feel that it was in any way a "good" film.

Undiscovered Country suffers from some of the same problems but at least it felt like there was some reverence to the characters. And the idea of endings was much better pronounced here than in Nemesis. (That means it didn't hit you over the head with its ending.)

In my book though, nothing holds a candle to DS9's ending.

 

[OpenMaw]

I'd have to put NEMESIS and TATV at the bottom of the list. Nemesis felt partially redundant since we had already had a TNG send off on TV, and also because it didn't really give us anything... Anything! I mean it just is there and it depresses me every time I watch it.

Star Trek VI, DS9, and TNG are the best of the bunch. They all have flaws: VI has dated rather badly give it's rather on the nose allegory. DS9 has some bad some in it that comes from just a really bad final season, and TNG is full of the dull techno babble. But, at the very least, they give us a new perspective on our characters, they give us proper closure, and they move on in some way.

Though, of those three I think All Good Thing is probably the weakest, as the ending itself really feels like they left it in a very vague spot for the coming motion pictures.

The rest can be shuffled in the middle as they're all equally meh/awful.

 

[Campe]

The only reason I put TATV where I did was because looking at it in a sense of finality. At least it had that. If I'm going to rank it solely as an episode, its way at the bottom.

 

[-Brett-]

Seriously?

The Undiscovered Country is a long way from perfect but it's a masterpiece compared to Nemesis.

I'll vote TNG anyway. Just out of pity.

 

[wulfio]

I disliked DS9 finale almost as much as ENT. It felt like a glorified clip show. And I oh so despise clip shows. I also feel like it might have been one of the shows that started the genre trope of overlaying a sappy song while the cast is being all introspective. So I blame DS9 for the current trend in TV that irritates me to no end.

TUC gets my vote for best send off in a movie though.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'll vote TNG anyway. Just out of pity.

Pity not the film, but rather those of us who paid to see it in the theater.

 

[Nebusj]

I'll vote TNG anyway. Just out of pity.

Pity not the film, but rather those of us who paid to see it in the theater.

Hey, I paid to see it in the theater twice, on two continents!

I'd seen it when it opened in the United States, one of the last things I did with a friend shortly before moving to Singapore for a job. And then, a couple weeks later, nearly my first week in Singapore was the (lone) week that Nemesis played there! I got to a see it the second time in a nearly-empty cinema.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

TOS with TUC.

 

[Iamnotspock]

Uhura states they've been ordered back to dock to be decommissioned in the movie.

The crew, not the ship.

"This ship, and her history, will shortly become the care of another crew. To them and their posterity do we commit our future..."

It works as a meta reference to TNG, but I'd say it's likely that Nick Meyer and Denny Martin Flynn intended it to refer to the Enterprise-A receiving a new crew after Kirk and co. stand down, having done their bit for King and country, while Moore and Braga ret-conned it in GEN as the ship having been decommissioned also.

Just a year passed in the TOS timeframe between The Undiscovered Country and Generations from what I understand. Working backwards from the '78 Years Later' at the beginning of the NextGen portion of the film would put the TOS piece in 2294.

Less than a year. Working backwards from the '78 Years Later' (from 2371, the year after TNG's final season - 2370 - and concurrent with DS9 Season 3 and VOY Season 1) actually puts the TOS piece in 2293, the same year as TUC.

I disliked DS9 finale almost as much as ENT. It felt like a glorified clip show.

You disliked the whole episode because of the brief clip montages at the end?

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

it's not even close :TOS