They totally should made Cupcake Leslie instead of Hendorf.
Where was Carol Marcus
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My assumption is that an opportunity to work on some big project came up and she left.
Just because they went on a five year mission and STB takes place 3 years into it doesn't mean all the crew seen at the end of STID stayed on the ship during that time. A core group, yes, but not necessarily all. I can imagine crew offloading and transferring at Starbases etc. Even Kirk was contemplating leaving the mission early at the start of the movie.
Just because they went on a five year mission and STB takes place 3 years into it doesn't mean all the crew seen at the end of STID stayed on the ship during that time. A core group, yes, but not necessarily all. I can imagine crew offloading and transferring at Starbases etc. Even Kirk was contemplating leaving the mission early at the start of the movie.
Leslie was English, Engineering divison, transporter operator anyway and thin with it. Not a strapping beefcake security officer. If anything Chris Doohan was probably playing Mr. Leslie.
What happened to Carol? Let me think. Old pasty faced white Khan Singh, at some point early on during the five-year mission, must've broke out of his cryogenic canister during a power outage that reduced the Botany Bay crew to defrosted mush, and gone looking for the Enterprise. In an event suspiciously like a rerun of "Space Seed" - with a bit of out for revenge on Spock thrown in - we discover Khan has regained the Latino Lothario-ness absent from Thundersnatch's portrayal because he makes some super smooth moves on Carol... inbetween torturing Uhura by putting Spock in a deep compression chamber. Meanwhile Kirk, having recovered from being beaten around the face with a surprisingly lightweight tritanium rod - injuries that would've surely killed anybody never resurrected by super blood - manages to trick Khan all over again, and regains control of the ship. Sensing that the hot passionate Augment and actual frozen popsicle Carol really deserve each other, Kirk drops them both off on Ceti Alpha V to start making little blonde baby Khans. The End or is it? [cliffhanger music] DUN-DUN-DUN!
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No he wasn't. Leslie was (presumably) American who was usually seen at the engineering console on the bridge or with a security team. One of the few times he had dialogue was in This Side of Paradise where he gladly admits to abandoning his post when Kirk questions him. The actor was also occasionally Shatner's stunt double.
It sounds like you're describing Mr. Kyle, who was English and pretty much always seen in the transporter room, aside from TWOK where he's on the Reliant's bridge as the communications officer, IIRC.
^ My bad. Yes, you're right. It was Mr. Kyle I was thinking of. Cheers. Surprising they picked the more obscure Hendorf over Leslie. He'd been a good fit for Cupcake wouldn't he?
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Hells yeah. Prime Leslie likely had some sort of resentment towards Kirk if we go by Side of Paradise, this could easily work well with the two of them being rivals in the Kelvin Timeline. And now that Cupcake has Kenny's ability of dying and resurrecting for the next adventure, Leslie is a perfect fit for him.
Alas, missed opportunities.
I hope the fact that they cut the scenes means Cupcake lives! Long Live Lieutenant Cupcake, King of the Redshirts!
You keep saying that but there is no similarity between Rand and reboot Uhura beyond the rumor that Rand was supposed to be a leading lady too (in the confines of the 60s though she would never be developed like new Uhura). The latter is her own character and, at best, an upgrade of how tos Uhura was and supposed to be (her being a linguist to name one of the things, but even the romance with Spock that was something tptb had wanted to explore but never could at the time)
Also I get that you love Rand and she had potential for an upgrade in the reboot if they wanted but, no offense, she wasn't THAT big and important as a character and she was not developed enough or with very unique traits that ANY female character from the reboot could be inspired by her, frankly.
And she is not absolutely needed in the reboot more than any new female character they can possibly add. Same for Chapel (and Carol).
The big 7 of trek in pop culture are Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Mccoy, Sulu, Scotty and Chekov. Chapel and Rand are options up for a cameo if they want, but not part of the main crew that even non trek fans know about. And I'd rather not have the writers shoehorn characters in for the sake of tos nods when the big 7 are barely developed. And honestly if they add more characters, since most of the characters are white males I prefer new people are poc or new alien species like Jaylah. It's more fitting for trek.
I agree that the movie format limits character development but this holds true for new alien species too. I much prefer to see TOS alien races than random new races. This whole approach of mines spins on developing TOS concepts that were underdeveloped.
I also agree that support characters should now be third tier like cupcake (but preferably not cut) or keenser but I make no secret that I'd love to all the original main characters get some respect.
I speak of nuUhura being an amalgamation in terms of design intent i.e. by adding a rocky relationship dynamic that had previously been Rand's raison d'etre and then using that to elevate her role. I wasn't suggesting that they were identical in characterisation. NuUhura us not even identical in characterisation to Uhura prime. I loved Uhura in TOS and I do think something has been lost in translation. For Rand and Chapel it would have been nice to see a highly trained modern take. It's a shame that horse has bolted. A wasted opportunity. Jaylah is cool but I don't see that she has to be the end of the female dynamic. Their work is not done.
I also agree that support characters should now be third tier like cupcake (but preferably not cut) or keenser but I make no secret that I'd love to all the original main characters get some respect.
I speak of nuUhura being an amalgamation in terms of design intent i.e. by adding a rocky relationship dynamic that had previously been Rand's raison d'etre and then using that to elevate her role. I wasn't suggesting that they were identical in characterisation. NuUhura us not even identical in characterisation to Uhura prime. I loved Uhura in TOS and I do think something has been lost in translation. For Rand and Chapel it would have been nice to see a highly trained modern take. It's a shame that horse has bolted. A wasted opportunity. Jaylah is cool but I don't see that she has to be the end of the female dynamic. Their work is not done.
Has anyone said "maternity leave" yet?
I'm still not convinced she's going to be with Kirk in this timeline. I'm still holding onto Marcus/McCoy.
Agreed. Carol and Kirk didn't seem to like each other AT ALL in STID. I highly doubt there'll be a Kelvinverse version of David.
Desalinated by the M-113 creature.
Does Hendorff have a first name yet? I suggest they name him Kenny Hendorff, and they let him die once in every movie.
^ His initials are G.P. according to Memory Beta
I didn't miss her.
I hate that guy
He is a smug jerk, but an undeniable genius. And a True Fan.
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