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Where was Carol Marcus

I know they said they could not think of anything for her to do in this movie but she's a weapons expert and they were dealing with an ancient alien weapon - that's sort of exactly what her character does....

She was a weapons expert as in Federation torpedos and stuff like that. Why would she know anything about that thing Krall was using? None of the crew got anywhere near enough that weapon to examine it, anyway.

Mind you, they got rid of Chapel, a bio-medical researcher, for similar reasons in STiD

They didn't get rid of her, she was never there in the first place! She was an off-screen nurse in the first movie and she was briefly mentioned in the second one. What did you expect?
 
It was way more of an episodic movie than a continuation from Into Darkness. They didn't even mention Khan's magic blood, the tech advances or any events from that movie unless I'm forgetting something
 
She was a weapons expert as in Federation torpedos and stuff like that. Why would she know anything about that thing Krall was using? None of the crew got anywhere near enough that weapon to examine it, anyway.



They didn't get rid of her, she was never there in the first place! She was an off-screen nurse in the first movie and she was briefly mentioned in the second one. What did you expect?

She'd know what the script requires her to know. Why does Spock seem to know pretty much everything? Because it's a convenient plot device. My point is, they claimed they could not think of a way to use the character. It did not require much imagination to do just that.

But why was Chapel a nurse in an off-camera name-check in ST09? In TOS, she was actually a bio-medical researcher (an off-shoot of biology research that involves chemistry and technology) who'd studied with the 'Louis Pasture of archeological medicine' and also a trainee doctor who took a posting as a nurse on a ship that was passing close to her fiance's last know location. She was a nurse out of necessity. Why should Chapel join up as a nurse in the reboot? Does she have lower qualifications and lesser ambition? It was a throwaway name-check because they forgot that Chapel was grossly underwritten in TOS. I just wish they'd had greater respect for the character, enough at least to update into a less sexist iteration.
 
But why was Chapel a nurse in an off-camera name-check in ST09? In TOS, she was actually a bio-medical researcher (an off-shoot of biology research that involves chemistry and technology) who'd studied with the 'Louis Pasture of archeological medicine' and also a trainee doctor who took a posting as a nurse on a ship that was passing close to her fiance's last know location. She was a nurse out of necessity. Why should Chapel join up as a nurse in the reboot? Does she have lower qualifications and lesser ambition? It was a throwaway name-check because they forgot that Chapel was grossly underwritten in TOS. I just wish they'd had greater respect for the character, enough at least to update into a less sexist iteration.

What?

I won't even discuss the TOS part of your post, the fact is that in the Kelvin Timeline her only appearance was off screen and she was a nurse. Why is that sexist? Is being a nurse an inferior profession? A friend of mine is a nurse, and she would strongly disagree!
 
I won't even discuss the TOS part of your post, the fact is that in the Kelvin Timeline her only appearance was off screen and she was a nurse. Why is that sexist? Is being a nurse an inferior profession? A friend of mine is a nurse, and she would strongly disagree!

Chapel's 'fate' is not overtly sexist (although there are sexist undertones). In the Kelvin timeline anything goes so, as you say, why shouldn't she end up choosing nursing as a career path in favour of bio-research? I also apologise to any nurses out there if it comes across that I'm belittling their profession; my principal issue is from a character writing perspective i.e. that if you make Chapel a nurse again or even an MD, she has to compete with McCoy for air time and she's always going to lose. To gain credibility as a character, she has to be given a niche of her own where she can complement McCoy, and fancying Spock is already taken, if you can call that a niche... So she can be a xenobiologist, exopaleobiologist, a xenoarchaeologist, a bio-mechanical researcher, a geneticist, or even just a tribble expert. She could have made some contribution to complement McCoy's 'old country doctor' with a bit of imagination.

However, I did find it disrespectful for her to be cast aside from the franchise with a tongue-in-cheek line, since Majel Barrett had been gracious enough to lend her voice to the ship's computer and had recently died. Compare that to the reverential treatment that Nimoy's character deservedly received following his passing. It may not be sexist or it may be, but I found it distasteful either way.

Behind the scenes politics had led Barrett to step away as a member of the main TOS ensemble from STII onward until her return in TNG but her contribution to the franchise as a whole was considerable. I just felt that the writers could and should have shown the actress some respect by showing her character some respect (including making her less boring). They also left out Number One in ST09, despite a niche that she could have filled.

Carol, as a character, is in a similar position to Chapel in that, as a physicist, she is competing with Spock's niche. That leaves her romancing Kirk as a niche, which is pretty thin and is also straying into Uhura's territory. There's only so much romance one movie can take! They might bring her back with a toddler in tow in the next movie, neatly bypassing the romance, to give Kirk something new to emote about. I would like to see Carol return in some form though.

I'm also unsure why they didn't just bring in Janice Rand as a redshirt security guard. I'm not saying I'm anxious for Rand to die but I also can't see why they couldn't use such a simple way to update the character for the modern audience. It's not as if they'd be turning her into NuStarbuck :-p
 
Janice would be a nice addition, but you've already got a fairly large main cast (Kirk, Spock, Uhura, McCoy, Sulu, plus "Villian's" and "victims / helpers" ) that there are already complaints in each movie about people being short changed.

Not that that's a complaint new to the rebooted films.
 
Janice would be a nice addition, but you've already got a fairly large main cast (Kirk, Spock, Uhura, McCoy, Sulu, plus "Villian's" and "victims / helpers" ) that there are already complaints in each movie about people being short changed.

Not that that's a complaint new to the rebooted films.

Yeah, Janice or Chapel would likely have to be Keenser or Cupcake level characters (although I didn't spot Cupcake in this one, I'm told he's there somewhere). Even a blonde woman with a bun handing over a PADD or coffee in one scene and shooting a phaser in later on would have been a simple way to start. For my part, I'd have made her Pike's yeoman and I'd have had her take down Kirk on the bridge (along with Cupcake) in ST09 as a sort of tongue in cheek revenge for the Enemy Within.
 
Bring back red uniform wearing random cute blonde bridge crew officer from ID and call her Rand, problem solved:)
 
I know they said they could not think of anything for her to do in this movie but she's a weapons expert and they were dealing with an ancient alien weapon - that's sort of exactly what her character does....

Mind you, they got rid of Chapel, a bio-medical researcher, for similar reasons in STiD and just let McCoy carry out the medical research instead. It isn't that they can't think of anything for the characters to do, it's that they don't want to pay a supporting actress a lot of money to do something one of the other characters can do instead.

I get that, but it's still bad that they can't find room for another regular female character. Even TOS had better diversity with female characters than the new movies.
I did find the way Chapel was written out off screen as leaving the Enterprise after a fling with Kirk that he didn't even remember was just really tacky and disrespectful to the character.
 
Bring back red uniform wearing random cute blonde bridge crew officer from ID and call her Rand, problem solved:)
Yep she was cute but IDW already stole her for Yeoman Zahra (now security Lieutenant Zahra). It was an odd choice since they had already featured Rand and Zahra together, using Zahra's original ethnicity. Then Zahra turned into a blonde Caucasian. I suspect she was going to be Rand (who has since ceased to feature) but somebody nixed the idea and so they went forward with Zahra instead.
 
I get that, but it's still bad that they can't find room for another regular female character. Even TOS had better diversity with female characters than the new movies.

I completely agree, which is why I'm so happy about Jaylah. She'd be perfect as a regular addition to the crew in future movies. I think she's actually much better than Carol Marcus so I wasn't too sad to not see Carol return.
As sad and heart-breaking as it is, but with Anton Yelchin's death, it's even easier to add another regular like Jaylah.
 
I get that, but it's still bad that they can't find room for another regular female character. Even TOS had better diversity with female characters than the new movies.
I did find the way Chapel was written out off screen as leaving the Enterprise after a fling with Kirk that he didn't even remember was just really tacky and disrespectful to the character.
That was one thing I didn't like about Into Darkness, just one of them.
 
I completely agree, which is why I'm so happy about Jaylah. She'd be perfect as a regular addition to the crew in future movies. I think she's actually much better than Carol Marcus so I wasn't too sad to not see Carol return.
As sad and heart-breaking as it is, but with Anton Yelchin's death, it's even easier to add another regular like Jaylah.
Jaylah is a fairly versatile character. They can stick her at navigation, in engineering, or in security and she'd work. The timeline is a bit screwy, since she would need to spend 3-4 years at the academy but only if she wants to be an officer. She could probably be back on board as a crewman or even petty officer (security guard or engineering specialist most likely) in a year.
 
Jaylah is a fairly versatile character. They can stick her at navigation, in engineering, or in security and she'd work. The timeline is a bit screwy, since she would need to spend 3-4 years at the academy but only if she wants to be an officer. She could probably be back on board as a crewman or even petty officer (security guard or engineering specialist most likely) in a year.

I vote Jaylah for Chief Security Officer of the Enterprise.
 
Kirk decides to make her a "acting ensign."
Well, he made a newly qualified ensign chief engineer, so it wouldn't be the silliest thing he's ever done. Even so, I'd prefer it if they moved away from schlocky stuff like that. She's displayed good qualities for a crewman but not an officer - not yet at least. I'm already appalled at the notion that Keenser is an officer. Let's not make it worse.
 
Well, he made a newly qualified ensign chief engineer, so it wouldn't be the silliest thing he's ever done. Even so, I'd prefer it if they moved away from schlocky stuff like that.

He was only following standard Starfleet procedure, like when they made a Cadet Captain of the flagship:)
 
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