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Where on the political spectrum are you?

Which political party did you end up with?


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So, with this score last year:

Anarchist- 100 %
Democrat- 67%
Green- 58%
Communist- 58%
Socialist- 42%
Republican- 17%
Fascist- 8%
Nazi 0%

And this year:

Anarchist - 83%
Democrat - 75%
Green- 67%
Communist- 50%
Socialist - 50%
Fascism- 17%
Republican - 8%
Nazi - 0%

My anarchism is getting a little bit more tempered, it seems.
I now would prefer Fascism to Republicanism. Weird.
 
Apparently you lack all nuance in terms of political thought. Its also clear you apparently can't read. I told you my political philosophy encompasses almost every school of thought. Then I told you that you can never have something in full accordance with your beliefs (unless you happen to be a damn cookie cutter). Anything out there is going to suck. You can only prioritize which particular issues you are most concerned with.
Unsurprisingly, what concern me most are personal freedoms and civil liberties.

Stop insulting me for ten seconds and open your mind to a wider world of politics than left vs right. Also, stop mischaracterizing me. If you have a question about something, ask it nicely to make sure you're on the right track. Rather than that you seem to be leaping wildly from point to point in a desire to hurt me.

Your insinuation is another, as I see it from the pattern of your posting, deliberate assault on me. I can only assume that a diverse political view must threaten you in some way, otherwise you would be more open-minded. Instead you prefer to make up words to put in my mouth in some sort of feeble effort to make me look like an ass. I don't appreciate it at all.
I have no desire to "hurt" you. I never "insulted" you. I never "assaulted" you. I never "baited" you. If you can't debate your political position without feeling hurt, insulted, assaulted, or baited, you should consider refraining from such discussions. Now stop building your defence on how much mean you think I am. This is a discussion forum, not kindergarten.

My view on historical Rome is in no way invalidated by anything. It forms a basis of the concept of citizenship in most western nations, and is the prime example of a Republic held up for emulation. Times have changed, but the fact that crucifixion was once used in no way makes the political system any less significant or important for a modern view.
Funnily enough, the concept of citizenship has nothing to do with the absolute power entrusted into the dictatura. You dig the Romans? That's ok, I kinda like them too. But having an elected official with dictatorial power is just a recipe for disaster.

You are the one who seemed to invalidate any role of the Roman Republic as a positive historical example because of modern views on what is and is not permissible.
Who's mischaracterizing my position now? ;)

I so fucking hate this argument "but Mussolini made the trains run on time", "but Hitler built the Autobahn", "but Stalin made crime disappear".

So what, and how? Do you know that the first KZs were built almost immediately on Hitler's rise to power? Dachau was opened on March 22nd, 1933! And what was it that powered the early Nazi economic boom? Arms build up! Preparation for the coming war! And stealing the Jews' money. How the hell can you seperate the warmongering and slavery in Nazi Germany economic policies from other policies?

And pretty much the same arguments go for Stalin also. In the 30s, the GULAG slave labour system was already running at full capacity, to say nothing of the repression and lack of freedom ordinary Russians had to suffer and their working conditions.

Please show me any objective economist, historian, or political scientist who would want to do like to replicate anything like that. Your glorification of murderous, totalitarian regimes is disgusting and pretty juvenile actually.
Standing ovation.

I'm sorry some mod here feels the need to falsely accuse me of trolling, but it's incorrect. I wasn't trying to lure any response from you.
Apparently, debate and dissenting opinions are discouraged. Why I'm not surprised, given the self-admitted illiberal political position of R., and SPOCKED's previous concern over poor old TGT's reputation?
 
Unsurprisingly, what concern me most are personal freedoms and civil liberties.

Then since you have a most clear issue you have a general starting point. But I highly doubt you agree with the whole party platform of anything.


I have no desire to "hurt" you. I never "insulted" you. I never "assaulted" you. I never "baited" you. If you can't debate your political position without feeling hurt, insulted, assaulted, or baited, you should consider refraining from such discussions. Now stop building your defence on how much mean you think I am. This is a discussion forum, not kindergarten.

You mocked me by calling me an 11 year old, and you just mocked me again in your last sentence. I'd say that constitutes an insult or an assault against my image. It was certainly ad hominem.

I presume you did try to get a rise out of me before. And still are. Thats why you throw out your bits of mocking, you want to make me angry and lose my control. I'm not rising to that though, but you don't seem to show any sign of changing. And I'd appreciate if you stopped.

Funnily enough, the concept of citizenship has nothing to do with the absolute power entrusted into the dictatura. You dig the Romans? That's ok, I kinda like them too. But having an elected official with dictatorial power is just a recipe for disaster.
Like I said, in addition to citizenship, Rome is usually held up as the ideal Republic. Its played a huge influence on governance around the world, and they are on to something with the dictatura. Any society needs the ability to respond swiftly to crises and follow through on them. And everywhere I look I see over-politicization and deadlock.

Without increased executive powers (not absolute per se) that is going to make things progressively harder until some sort of external threat either destroys it or prompts higher executive power.

Who's mischaracterizing my position now? ;)
You did say earlier that using Rome as an example was bad because of expansionism and crucifixion.


I'd also like to address this:
So what, and how? Do you know that the first KZs were built almost immediately on Hitler's rise to power? Dachau was opened on March 22nd, 1933! And what was it that powered the early Nazi economic boom? Arms build up! Preparation for the coming war! And stealing the Jews' money. How the hell can you seperate the warmongering and slavery in Nazi Germany economic policies from other policies?

And pretty much the same arguments go for Stalin also. In the 30s, the GULAG slave labour system was already running at full capacity, to say nothing of the repression and lack of freedom ordinary Russians had to suffer and their working conditions.

Please show me any objective economist, historian, or political scientist who would want to do like to replicate anything like that. Your glorification of murderous, totalitarian regimes is disgusting and pretty juvenile actually.

Not to defend it, but do you realize that Dachau started out simply as a camp for political prisoners? The term 'concentration camp' carries a particularly nasty connotation today, but its extremely common throughout history. The US even built them in the war. Only in fairly modern times have some nations abandoned the practice of imprisoning political enemies and dissenters. Its always distasteful though.

As to military rearmament, its not always bad. It gets people jobs, it makes national defense an easy proposition, and it gives you something valuable to export. Its when you decide to go on the warpath and conquer all your neighbors that it becomes a problem.

In case the nuance escaped you, appreciating some of the results and characteristics doesn't mean you want the entire system emulated. Thats your own false dichotomy.

I'm sorry some mod here feels the need to falsely accuse me of trolling, but it's incorrect. I wasn't trying to lure any response from you.

I'm not sure its false. It seems pretty damn likely to me that you've been trying to get a rise out of me for pages.
 
Not to be a dick or anything, but this is kinda spiralling out of control a bit, i'm not a mod or anything, but I don't think it takes a genius to work out that you guys are bringing TNZ style content into a Misc topic, its getting pretty personal, about, quite frankly something relatively minor, myself and quite a few others would be pretty peeved if this got the topic closed (as its one of the more interesting ones kicking around at the moment)...lets change the subject

I'm not one who knows a heck of a lot about the American Political system, so can anyone perhaps care to fill me in on their views of the non Republican/Democrat parties (minor parties) and perhaps explain if any of them have ever been close to making the White House, in recent years? cheers
 
Democrat 92%
Anarchism 75%
Green 67%
Socialist 58%
Communism 33%
Republican 8%
Fascism 0%
Nazi 0%

While not an entirely inaccurate result, I still have seen better tests than this one.
 
Not to be a dick or anything, but this is kinda spiralling out of control a bit, i'm not a mod or anything, but I don't think it takes a genius to work out that you guys are bringing TNZ style content into a Misc topic, its getting pretty personal, about, quite frankly something relatively minor, myself and quite a few others would be pretty peeved if this got the topic closed (as its one of the more interesting ones kicking around at the moment)...lets change the subject

I'm not one who knows a heck of a lot about the American Political system, so can anyone perhaps care to fill me in on their views of the non Republican/Democrat parties (minor parties) and perhaps explain if any of them have ever been close to making the White House, in recent years? cheers

You're 100% right. My part of it ends right now.

The minor parties in the US rarely get enough votes to matter. The more constant minor parties are Peace and Freedom, American Independent, Green, and Libertarian. The only serious contender for President was Ross Perot with 18.9% of the popular vote.

But since we use the electoral college, popular votes don't count. Each state has a number of points. And they're winner-take-all.

So essentially for President its a two party deal. Congress is different, sometimes people will run independently and win, but its overwhelmingly a two party system. And for the most part the results are always the same.
 
^^ I'm assuming this is a joke of some kind.

Not to be a dick or anything, but this is kinda spiralling out of control a bit, i'm not a mod or anything, but I don't think it takes a genius to work out that you guys are bringing TNZ style content into a Misc topic, its getting pretty personal, about, quite frankly something relatively minor, myself and quite a few others would be pretty peeved if this got the topic closed (as its one of the more interesting ones kicking around at the moment)...lets change the subject
Don't worry, it won't be closed. We're keeping an eye on it.

Captain M is correct, however; this discussion shouldn't get too personal.

I'm not one who knows a heck of a lot about the American Political system, so can anyone perhaps care to fill me in on their views of the non Republican/Democrat parties (minor parties) and perhaps explain if any of them have ever been close to making the White House, in recent years? cheers
As was pointed out, we basically have a two-party system here; all other parties are marginalized. This is an unintended side effect of our Presidential election process. First, we use an Electoral College system that has never done what it was intended to do; second, we use a simple voting system that discourages voting for "third party" candidates. What I would like to see happen is the elimination of the Electoral College, which would encourage a vast number of citizens to get out and vote; also, the use of a voting system where candidates can be ranked in order of preference would give hope to non-Democratic-Republican candidates. Ultimately, this would dismantle the two-party system and give us more reasonable (and qualified) elected officials.

Of course, this is very hard to accomplish, because both ruling parties are against it. :rommie:
 
My results:
Democrat 100%
Green 100%
Anarchist 67%
Communist 67%
Socialist 67%
Republican 0%
Fascist 0%
Nazi 0%
 
Not to defend it, but do you realize that Dachau started out simply as a camp for political prisoners? The term 'concentration camp' carries a particularly nasty connotation today, but its extremely common throughout history. The US even built them in the war. Only in fairly modern times have some nations abandoned the practice of imprisoning political enemies and dissenters. Its always distasteful though.

"Just"? And no, it was pretty fucking nasty right from the start. Dachau in '33 wasn't Auschwitz in '43, but it already was a horrible place already unlike any prison the USA have operated in the last century including Bagram, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib etc.

As to military rearmament, its not always bad. It gets people jobs, it makes national defense an easy proposition, and it gives you something valuable to export. Its when you decide to go on the warpath and conquer all your neighbors that it becomes a problem.

Armament inevitably leads to war. Why buy expensive weapons without using them. And in the case of Nazi Germany, the rearmament wasn't an end in itself, it was preparation for a war that killed 50 million people.

In case the nuance escaped you, appreciating some of the results and characteristics doesn't mean you want the entire system emulated. Thats your own false dichotomy.

I don't think that's a "nuanced" point of view at all, I think that's pretty naive actually and borderline revisionist. You can't seperate Nazi economic policies from their racist and politically oppressive policies or WWII. If you cherry pick certain points like "but they built the first jet fighter plane" you kind of stop making sense if you don't view how that plane came into existence and the wider context of how it was used. You can't seperate one from the other without silently legitimising the parts you don't like.

I'm not sure its false. It seems pretty damn likely to me that you've been trying to get a rise out of me for pages.

I assure you, the thought that you could reply to what I said with something that would get you a warning absolutely didn't enter my mind at all until SPOCKED mentioned it.
 
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that having a debate, however heated, but without any significant insult or open name-calling, is "TNZ-style" and thus discouraged in Misc. Apparently, the only topics we can have here are depression and tabloid weddings.

I wrote a whole reply to the last statements, but it's just not worth it. Whatever.
 
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that having a debate, however heated, but without any significant insult or open name-calling, is "TNZ-style" and thus discouraged in Misc. Apparently, the only topics we can have here are depression and tabloid weddings.

I wrote a whole reply to the last statements, but it's just not worth it. Whatever.

Theres a difference between having a debate and getting personal, which was pretty much happening earlier
 
I'm a Nazi because I am part black. The teabaggers portray Obama as Hitler and since I am his color and agree with many of his policies that must make me a Nazi too!
 
I'm a Nazi because I am part black. The teabaggers portray Obama as Hitler and since I am his color and agree with many of his policies that must make me a Nazi too!

Yup, same as me being of mixed-asian/european ethnicity makes me a potential Terrorist ;)

(Hides behind a shield) I think Barack Obama is a brilliant guy, he's easy to relate to, is a genuinely nice guy and acts like he actually cares, furthermore he's helping to bridge the gap between African-Americans and Caucasians, I actually think Barack Obama could be the key to ending this stupid racial discrimination that still goes on in the World. Sure he's having problems at the moment, but what Political Leader doesn't? I think a lot of people had a high expectation of him and because of a couple of false starts, he gets a shitload of criticism, call me an optimist, but I really think Barack Obama is going to do a lot of good for not just the USA but the World in time
 
I think Barack Obama is a brilliant guy, he's easy to relate to, is a genuinely nice guy and acts like he actually cares, furthermore he's helping to bridge the gap between African-Americans and Caucasians, I actually think Barack Obama could be the key to ending this stupid racial discrimination that still goes on in the World. Sure he's having problems at the moment, but what Political Leader doesn't? I think a lot of people had a high expectation of him and because of a couple of false starts, he gets a shitload of criticism, call me an optimist, but I really think Barack Obama is going to do a lot of good for not just the USA but the World in time

While I agree with most of this I doubt he will get elected to a second term. The country is swinging back to the right due to a combination of propaganda and, more importantly, the seeming inability of the democrats to get much done when they have a majority in congress.

I disagree with your comment about Obama being a key to ending racial discrimination because he is just one man. A black man being president is not going to end racism in America, much less the world. No matter what color or gender the president is it will take a group effort of all of us to curb discrimination nationally and globally.
 
I disagree with your comment about Obama being a key to ending racial discrimination because he is just one man. A black man being president is not going to end racism in America, much less the world. No matter what color or gender the president is it will take a group effort of all of us to curb discrimination nationally and globally.
He's one man..yes, however he's also a Symbol of how far we've come, think about it this way, in 1990 if someone said "In 20 years time a Black Man will be President", people would laugh, it was completely unheard of

I'm not saying he's "the" Key to ending discrimination once and for all, but he's a start thats for sure
 
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