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Where does the Ring Ship fit into canon?

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I'm assuming it's pre NX-01 (despite it's absence from Archers wall), it looks more like a test bed than an actual ship (no shuttle bays and we know they didn't have reliable transporters at that point). So I'm assuming it was a test bed for a warp drive they later abandoned in favour of the Cochrane style Nacelle drive.

Thoughts?
 
It has to be pre-NX-01, at least in design, because a picture of it hangs from the wall of the bar where young Archer and other test pilots gather while assisting Henry Archer in his quest to create the warp five engine for NX-01.

Apart from that, we know little. It would make sense for Earth to initially try monkey-see, monkey-do copies of Vulcan ring drives before they perfect their own Cochrane style engines. But would this Earthling ringship precede even Cochrane's first attempt at a two-nacelled warp rig? No Vulcans to serve as inspiration before 2063 yet, but perhaps some other Earth inventor stumbled upon the Vulcan warp drive principle while Cochrane was still working on his own invention. Might be the ringship was a glorious early failure, then, a Langley Aerodrome that is still remembered alongside the Wright Flier.

The pictures of the ship reveal little detail. Might be she was (or was supposed to be, but never was built?) miles long and had space for fifty shuttlecraft. Might be she was too small to have a test pilot aboard. Perhaps she was operational for decades, perhaps she attempted warp flight once and failed. No telling, other than the fact that she precedes the Warp Five Engine test flights around the 2130s-40s.

Timo Saloniemi
 
One of the Ships of the Line calendars included a write-up about the ring-ship one year, and IIRC it was supposed to be one of humanities earliest warp ship designs with a heavy Vulcan design influence to it.
 
I'm assuming it's pre NX-01 (despite it's absence from Archers wall), it looks more like a test bed than an actual ship (no shuttle bays and we know they didn't have reliable transporters at that point). So I'm assuming it was a test bed for a warp drive they later abandoned in favour of the Cochrane style Nacelle drive.

Thoughts?

It has to be pre-NX-01, at least in design, because a picture of it hangs from the wall of the bar where young Archer and other test pilots gather while assisting Henry Archer in his quest to create the warp five engine for NX-01.

Wonder if Jonathan Archer hand picked the pictures in his ready room and simply disliked the ring ship design? It's absence is personal preference of Archer.
 
Wonder if Jonathan Archer hand picked the pictures in his ready room and simply disliked the ring ship design? It's absence is personal preference of Archer.

It's as good an explanation as any (probably it didn't use daddys design). Maybe Kirk wasn't a fan of the NX-01 which it would explain it's absence in TMP.
 
Meh, it's not like Archer included all Enterprises anyway. He left out the other aircraft carrier. Or hell two others, if you want to include the one that's currently under construction, though no one knew about that in 2001, obviously. For that matter, none of these galleries have ever included every Enterprise anyway, so there we are.
 
Meh, it's not like Archer included all Enterprises anyway. He left out the other aircraft carrier. Or hell two others, if you want to include the one that's currently under construction, though no one knew about that in 2001, obviously. For that matter, none of these galleries have ever included every Enterprise anyway, so there we are.

No, but the pictures seemed to have represented historical significance, particularly the NX-01 and TMP Enterprise. The D's wall simply didn't reach back in history to the age of sail or even the shuttle nor the ringship, but did include a wet navy carrier.

I think the E only had Starfleet ships.
 
I can't believe in historical significance in any display of four to six items, not if the subject matter is "ships of a given name". There's simply too much history out there!

In the TNG era, there's also a lot of accumulated history of starflight, so Picard would have the chance to pick and choose. Archer would have less to work with - but OTOH, he would still fondly remember the age of silly experiments, the scores of irrelevant little failures and incremental successes that history would soon forget.

But every Enterprise skipper out there has to choose between at least two aircraft carriers. And as far as we can tell, the latter of those never did anything worth remembering, not in our timeline. As its silhouette is the aesthetically more memorable one, though, Picard and Archer favor it over the actually significant vessel. Similar illogic no doubt rules over all other selection.

Assuming there is selection, that is. Archer had four pencils, Picard had a relief. But Kirk had a display alcove, with possibly hundreds of pictures rotating on that handful of screens... An utterly irrelevant warp experiment could be portrayed next to a famous wartime aircraft carrier, then, while NX-01 might appear next to the irrelevant CVN-65 moments later.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It doesn't really. It was a Matt Jefferies design made for an unmade Gene Roddenberry project which was thrown as a bit of background art in TMP, ENT and Into Darkness. Details here
 
The Into Darkness set designers (presumably) made a decision to have the ringship BEFORE Cochrane's Phoenix, in Admiral Marcus's line-up. Sure, humans could have arrived independently at the same design for interstellar flight as the Vulcans. But I always figure there's a more interesting idea in some sort of disastrous attempt to switch from nacelles to rings as demonstrated by their design - and it's that which sours the relationship to the "hold humanity back" policy we see in Enterprise.

I've never been too bothered by the NX-01 not featuring among Picard's Enterprise model ship. But they could've squeezed it in there, by the time a scene set in the Conference Lounge for Nemesis rolled around. No shot lingers on the line-up, but I saw a photograph once and they obviously hadn't. Then again, the ringship never featured from the start either.
 
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It fits into canon by being the ship named Enterprise between the spaceshuttle Enterprise and the NCC-1701. I like to think it was probably involved in the Romulan Wars in 2150s. This is mainly becasue the ship is the U.S.S Enterprise XCV-330 meaning it was a Federation ship. That means it was operational between 2161 and 2244. It could have been around before the Federation as an S.S. Enterprise, then was given to the Federation after its founding and became a U.S.S.
 
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One of the Ships of the Line calendars included a write-up about the ring-ship one year, and IIRC it was supposed to be one of humanities earliest warp ship designs with a heavy Vulcan design influence to it.
That makes the most sense to me. I'd go with that. We saw a picture of it hanging on a wall before the NX-01 was even launched and it has a ring like the Vulcan ships of that period.
 
USS is also the prefix of the United States navy.

Earth Starfleet was in operation prior to the formation of the Federation.

A United States Spacehip/Starship Enterprise could easily predate the Federation.

An Earth Starfleet United Star Ship Enterprise could also.
 
I'm convinced Admiral Marcus plays with his toy ships whenever his underlings aren't watching, so the order of those models need not always be strictly chronological...

USS is a valid prefix for at least three Trek contexts: United States Navy vessels (as seen in ST4:TVH), United Earth Starfleet vessels (as seen on a computer display in "Affliction"/"Divergence"), and United Federation of Planets Starfleet vessels with NCC registries (but the Raven was also given USS on a computer display despite having a NAR registry). It seems unlikely that the validity would be limited to those three cases...

SS in turn is just shorthand for "starship", and need not tell much about the identity of the vessel in question. I don't think SS has ever been part of actual Trek pennants painted on spacecraft, although it appears on assorted computer displays; usually, "essess" is just a bit of dialog.

What does XCV-330 stand for, then? If this is the registry of the spacecraft, we're apparently looking at a large number of ships with XCV-prefix registries (why else would the number be 330 rather than 01 or 100 or the like?). No need for all of them to be ringships, of course; might be XCV stands for "experimental somethingorother" and includes all sorts of bizarre configurations, only a handful of which are warp testbeds at all.

"XCV-330" might just as well be the designation, aka proper name, of the design, though, much like "Ryan NYP" is the designation for another craft in Marcus' lineup, and unlike "X-15" is (because that one indeed is number 15 in a series of X'es). There need not have been any other XCVs in that case - 330 might mean this ship is capable of creating 330 millicochrane warp fields or cost 330 billion dollars to develop. Or perhaps she is three times bigger than the initial XCV-110, but there never was an XCV-220. Etc.

Bottom line: not even this bit of information can be applied to draw any solid conclusions - there's always room for interpretation!

The one bit we can count on is the name. Everybody in Star Trek dialogue agrees that Kirk's Enterprise was the very first, even if indirectly (that is, they always say that there have been a specific number of ships, this number dictating that NCC-1701 was the first). This means that everybody is discounting NX-01 along with other known spacecraft named Enterprise. This presumably because those were "foreign" craft - we no longer can argue that the heroes would omit "lesser" craft as NX-01 is not suitably lesser than NCC-1701, either in physical characteristics (she walks, quacks and fights like a starship) or in status (she's called a starship).

Since XCV-330 is discounted along with NX-01, we could well argue she's "foreign", too. Meaning she's not UFP Starfleet. Which goes well with the idea that her picture already hangs on a wall before the UFP Starfleet is founded...

The other argument would be that XCV-330 is not Starfleet, regardless of which Starfleet, and our heroes always omit all civilian craft (and, on a separate basis, omit NX-01 as well, but this is merely an irrelevant additional detail). We could then place XCV-330 in the late 22nd century or whatever, the idea being that she was a pipe dream before Archer's days but was finally realized when Earth got its warp engine act together. We cannot conclusively identify the other picture on that stretch of 602 Club wall as an actually built spacecraft, after all (although she's likely to be a pencil of the NX test rig). Although we can identify a couple of other "real" craft there, such as the Phoenix or the DY-100.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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United Earth Starfleet vessels (as seen on a computer display in "Affliction"/"Divergence")

That was just an FX mistake, just like the 24th Century Steamrunners greeting the Enterprise in Stormfront Part 2.

It was stated by the show runners that the Enterprise and Columbia don't have USS because they pre-date the Federation.
 
It was up front and center. There's no reason to consider it a mistake - nothing anywhere in Trek is in contradiction of Archer's ship being the USS Enterprise, after all.

It's just that the types of address vary from era to era, and from ship to ship. Archer says "Enterprise", while Kirk says "the Enterprise" or sometimes "the USS Enterprise". Kirk's ship doesn't suddenly paint over her USS letters with those nifty workbees, Discovery style, even when Kirk uses the former form of address...

Timo Saloniemi
 
nothing anywhere in Trek is in contradiction of Archer's ship being the USS Enterprise, after all.

It just says Enterprise on the Dedication Plaque as well. No bloody USS because according to Rick Berman, it pre-dates the Federation.

That is the only Episode in the entire series where the NX-01 is labelled USS, it's an FX mistake and nothing more.
 
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