I think it is now time for me to go and read some fresh perspectives by someone who makes more sense than some of what has been said here this evening. I think I'll check in on what Ricky Santorium has said today..... Good Night, All!
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Like GR was a "SciFi" guy when he created Star Trek. He was known for cop shows and westerns. As "sci-fi shows" go Fringe is pretty good.
There's been more Star Trek with out GR than with. The ones with out were more successful.
Roughly 75% of all the television episodes in the STAR TREK franchise were written and filmed after Gene's death in 1991, as well as a full one-half of the movies. Here's the partial rundown of the TREK that came after Gene left this world, not counting new TNG episodes written and/or aired between his death and May of 1994.
DS9: 176 television episodes
STAR TREK GENERATIONS
VOY: 172 television episodes
STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT
STAR TREK: INSURRECTION
ENT: 98 television episodes
STAR TREK: NEMESIS
STAR TREK(2009)
STAR TREK #2(2013)
That's a whopping 452 episodes and films, not counting roughly...oh...60 or 65 episodes of NEXT GEN from Seasons Five through Seven that hit the air after Gene died. That brings the grand total to well over 500 stories that went to the small or big screen without Gene's input whatsoever.
DS9: 176 television episodes
STAR TREK GENERATIONS
VOY: 172 television episodes
STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT
STAR TREK: INSURRECTION
ENT: 98 television episodes
STAR TREK: NEMESIS
STAR TREK(2009)
STAR TREK #2(2013)
That's a whopping 452 episodes and films, not counting roughly...oh...60 or 65 episodes of NEXT GEN from Seasons Five through Seven that hit the air after Gene died. That brings the grand total to well over 500 stories that went to the small or big screen without Gene's input whatsoever.
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Difference is he's a sci-fi guy now. Isn't he? You could say no. don't feel bad. I understand.
Only because he produced a sci-fi show same as JJ and others. Funny how that works. So there is no difference.
You don't really think things through before posting do you?
I beg to differ. I've liked all the various shows to varying degrees, and will put my Trekkie credentials up against anyone.
For what it's worth, I accept that you are sincere and not lying to yourself. Why not do the rest of us the same courtesy?
He's right, and we are wrong. I am ashamed 
I take back what I said, this thread is aweosme
I take back what I said, this thread is aweosme
I didn't realize I've been lying to myself for most of my life. I guess I'm not a serious fan after all. I feel soooooo jaded right now.
I am now depressed and fearful, myself. I am left to wonder....
....what ELSE have I been lying to myself about all these years?
I hate to break it to you, but (brace yourself!) you're actually a Lost in Space fan . . . .
Hard to believe, I know, but you'll have to trust us on this. We know the truth--even if you're still fooling yourself.
Yes I'm sure you took up space.
Edit: Forgot this wasn't TNZ.
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I didn't realize I've been lying to myself for most of my life. I guess I'm not a serious fan after all. I feel soooooo jaded right now.
I am now depressed and fearful, myself. I am left to wonder....
....what ELSE have I been lying to myself about all these years?
I hate to break it to you, but (brace yourself!) you're actually a Lost in Space fan . . . .
Hard to believe, I know, but you'll have to trust us on this. We know the truth--even if you're still fooling yourself.
"Ohhh the pain! The pain, my dear boy!"
I was brought up on TNG, from about 5 years old. I've seen literally every single episode and movie more than once and own everything on DVD, watched All Good Things on TV this morning for what must be the dozenth time. Own most of the games, a lot of the ships in model/toy form etc etc etc
And I love the new movie and can't wait for it's sequel. Strange how that works eh?
And I love the new movie and can't wait for it's sequel. Strange how that works eh?
Part of me gets the feeling that if TREK XII is an amazing film and the new Abrams timeline gets fleshed out a lot more in the next movie that detractors like YWF and xortex wil warm to the new timeline and film series more and might very well start changing their tunes a little, if not altogether. Right now it's excruciatingly and tediously obvious that they're still angry about the Prime timeline being shelved in favor of the new direction(understandable...I was kind of the same way when I heard the very first details of the 2009 film) and that there's still a lot of soreness over the aesthetic and personality differences between the two. I believe that once we get a second film in our systems and have a chance to digest it that more and more people will grow to honestly and openly enjoy the Abrams take on TREK. I remember a whole lot of people detesting TNG at first...until it started to grow on them, and then they were hooked.
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Hmmm, the Statue of Liberty being given a slutty stripper outfit, could be fun watching heads explode over that. Though, I'll pass on defacing Mount Rushmore with Beiber or Trump, even I have my limits
TNG felt "odd" to me when I first saw it. That the first season was a shake-down cruise and -to be honest- I still do not care for the feel and dialog of many first season episodes. But I grew to view it as an enjoyable and worthy addition to the Trek Universe. I think some current haters will eventually be won over by Trek XI and XII, et al.
... Besides, when James Doohan was asked a question about the "new" Next Generation series before the premiere (to which many in the crowd booed!), told us that we should give the new crew a chance to continue on with new missions. I would never wish to be at odds with Scotty!
I just don't grok the rage and vitriol I see expressed about a new Trek like J.J.'s movies. It seems out of balance and childish.
The issue is entertainment, after all- not losing a sibling to cancer.
... Besides, when James Doohan was asked a question about the "new" Next Generation series before the premiere (to which many in the crowd booed!), told us that we should give the new crew a chance to continue on with new missions. I would never wish to be at odds with Scotty!
I just don't grok the rage and vitriol I see expressed about a new Trek like J.J.'s movies. It seems out of balance and childish.
The issue is entertainment, after all- not losing a sibling to cancer.
Hmmm, the Statue of Liberty being given a slutty stripper outfit, could be fun watching heads explode over that. Though, I'll pass on defacing Mount Rushmore with Beiber or Trump, even I have my limits
I sort of like the way you think.
But yeah, I'll reiterate that TREK is a commercial entertainment franchise. If an entertainment franchise designed primarily to make money for a studio and a corporation takes a direction that you don't like, all you can realistically do is adapt or just not like the new direction...period. Which I respect. But I wouldn't call anybody who DID like or love that franchise's new direction deluded, misguided fools or idiots who aren't being honest with themselves and are living a lie. Maybe they like the new direction for legitimate reasons and it brings them joy? In that case, all the more power to them and I'm happy for them that they have a TV show or movie that brings them such happiness.
In the end, who am I to judge or say that I think that the other person is full of it? I most likely don't know them, and in some cases never will. I don't know their tastes...and in all honesty, perhaps some of the things they enjoy are even MORE refined and classy than the things I like. I'm not the begin-all, end-all of what's great or entertaining, nor is any one person.
Hmmm...You've stated you saw it 6 times in the theater, and own the DVD. I don't see anyone suggesting you only hate it, because the Internet convinced you that "True" Trerk fans must hate the movie. So, why is it you insist upon repeatedly suggesting that people who like it have been somehow coerced into liking it? That knife can cut both ways
Cooleddie, there may be hope for YWF, if the new movie can win him over, but, Xortex has expressed repeated dislike for Abrams overall body of work, so, I'm not sure it's possible for Xortex to be able to enjoy anything Abrams puts out, so, he will likely have to wait until the next Producer comes along, before he's able to enjoy any new Trek.
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