Where are we right now??

[You_Will_Fail]

Don't be so facetious, I don't feel nu-Trek is erasing old Trek. But I do feel that a continuation of the Trek I know and love would be 10 times better than starting over.
I guess nu-Trek is basically like hearing Trek has been canceled, I bottled that up for a long time and only really decided to start venting it now. I think it was after watching "Duet" recently and realized we're never going to get anything like that again. Its sad.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Don't be so facetious, I don't feel nu-Trek is erasing old Trek. But I do feel that a continuation of the Trek I know and love would be 10 times better than starting over.
I guess nu-Trek is basically like hearing Trek has been canceled, I bottled that up for a long time and only really decided to start venting it now. I think it was after watching "Duet" recently and realized we're never going to get anything like that again. Its sad.

Well fuck it, come to the wake. 80's and 90's Trek IS dead. We can drink and cry on Quark's shoulders together. 60's Trek is long gone and buried, and if you spend enough time in the TOS Mausoleum you will find those that decry 80's and 90's Trek as shallow imposters.

Life moves forward.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Except "60s, 80s and 90s" Trek is all just "Trek". So its a bigger loss than just a single tv show, its the death of a franchise and years upon years of work and material.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Don't be so facetious, I don't feel nu-Trek is erasing old Trek. But I do feel that a continuation of the Trek I know and love would be 10 times better than starting over.
I guess nu-Trek is basically like hearing Trek has been canceled, I bottled that up for a long time and only really decided to start venting it now. I think it was after watching "Duet" recently and realized we're never going to get anything like that again. Its sad.

You don't know that. The last two (admittedly failed) pitches for new Trek TV series went back to the original continuity/timeline.

And whoever takes over Trek after JJ's trilogy may give it exactly the kind of treatment you want.

Or, you could just read the novels. I think you'd really like "The Never Ending Sacrifice", "The 34th Rule" and "A Stitch in Time" - easily the match of the best DS9 episodes.

 

[Count Zero]

Could it be - and this is a very radical suggestion - could it be that the problem is that 'Nu Kirk' is a very dominant alpha male that women the world over want to have sex with, and you are not?

I don't want to have sex with him. What I want, and I want this very badly is for him to have sex with NuSpock.

I wouldn't be opposed to that, either.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

It drastically decreases the chances of Prime Trek returning. And one of those pitches was complete garbage by someone who apparently hadn't seen anything other than the movies and the first couple of seasons of TNG.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

YWF do you think you are the only person who grieves over what we will never have? Every single time someone talks about the plans they had for the 5th season of ENT it feels like a knife in my gut. What a horrible loss and guess what none of that cool stuff happened in the books either. But it's too late, it's never going to come again. All I have left to hope for is what the new era of Trek offers and what it offers is vastly more wonderful than what is realistically the alternative: nothing.

And before you say it, no it's not CRUMBS. So far it's a feast and I hope it long continues.

 

[Shawnster]

Goodness.... 8 pages later...

I pretty much feel the same way You Will Fail does. The only difference is I've come to terms with it.

I found Abrams Trek to be a great parody of the Original, but I knew it wasn't the original. It wasn't the "further adventures" of Star Trek, nor was it the "early years" of TOS. Abrams Trek was a rewrite. It was a re-interpretation of TOS.

Unlike UWF I actually think the analogies to BSG et, all are spot on (well, maybe not all the series mentioned....) Some fans of BSG were rabid about the remake, calling it GINO (Galactica in name only). It re-interpreted the universe they loved into something different. I didn't mind. I liked BSG and NuBSG. I made room for both and I'd come to terms with the fact Classic BSG had been dead for decades.

But I hadn't crossed that bridge with Trek. I wasn't ready to let it die.

I feel Trek could have been given the Abrams treatment and gotten fresh new life without going back to the original. A continuation could have been made that was just as fun and exciting as what the supporters feel Abrams Trek was. I might even be much happier with that myself. That's not what TPTB felt, however.

I've finally come to terms with Trek's death. I've gone to the funeral. I've mourned. It is what it is.

 

[Count Zero]

I feel the same way as teacake about what could have been if ENT had continued. I remember how down I was after ENT was cancelled. Back then, I thought that Trek was dead and that it would be a long time before we'd see any new Trek. Thankfully, I was wrong about that. I really liked the new movie. It was a lot of fun and it made me feel like I did in my teenage years when DS9 was on the air, Trek was in its heyday and we'd anticipate any new episode.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Right, thanks.

Also seriously, I'd hardly call it a "feast" so far lawls.

 

[The Wormhole]

Honestly, Prime Trek died when Enterprise ended. A reboot was going to happen after that, which I think was obvious to everyone at the time.

Now, I don't like Trek XI, as I don't think that was the proper way to reboot Trek. But we're stuck with it now.

 

[Greg Cox]

The five stages of fannish grief.

Denial: "This is NOT Star Trek!"
Anger: "Damn you, J. J. Abrams!"
Bargaining: "Okay, you can have your reboot movie, but any new TV shows will be set in the Prime Universe, right?"
Depression: "Star Trek is dead."
Acceptance: "When does the next movie come out?"

 

[xortex]

Four stages there for me, like any rocket. You forgot J.J. is God by the way.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Does nuTrek really infringe upon your enjoyment of old Trek, You_Will_Fail? I don't much care for the new movie either, but it would be downright foolish for me to let it get in the way of my enjoyment of the old Trek shows. Like someone else said earlier in the thread, none of this is actually real. It's all fiction and it's meant to meant to entertain, provoke thought, and teach valuable life lessons. As far as I can see, old Trek is still capable of doing that.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

No no, it doesn't get in the way of Old Trek shows at all. But it strips away the optimism I have for seeing something like TNG/DS9 or heck even VOY again.

 

[Greg Cox]

Again, this is not unique to Star Trek. I've had this exact same debate (almost word for word) regarding Battlestar Galactica, Planet of the Apes, Dark Shadows, DC Comics, and any number of remakes. Every time some beloved old property gets remade or rebooted, there are always traditionalists who mourn the loss of the previous version and insist that the old continuity must be preserved at all costs.

And yet life goes on and, hopefully, an aging franchise gets a new lease of life.

Think of it as basic ecology. Sometimes a cleansing forest fire is needed to allow for new growth . . . .

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Well to be fair, I still don't think BSG is that comparable to Trek. There is much more to Trek than there is to BSG or the Apes franchise, a lot more hours of entertainment and therefore a lot more time spent by fans watching these shows and getting to know this universe. I simply don't think its the same, BSG/Apes just aren't anywhere near as expansive enough to warrant a comparison with the Trek situation. Especially since they're clear stories that reach a logical end and there's no choice but to retell them. Whereas Trek, as I've said, is simply an established backdrop against which to tell stories. I completely reject the comparison on those grounds.

 

[xortex]

A cleansing forest fire. Yea, nothing can grow there now or should. He cooked the chicken by burning down the house.

 

[Greg Cox]

No no, it doesn't get in the way of Old Trek shows at all. But it strips away the optimism I have for seeing something like TNG/DS9 or heck even VOY again.

Hmm. It's interesting that you don't mention TOS. I actually have a pet theory that most of the fans who are really bothered by the reboot are not old-school TOS fans such as myself, but are of the generation that grew up on the later spin-offs instead--and are perhaps more invested in that whole era of STAR TREK.

Mind you, I have no scientific evidence to support that theory, but it often seems to be the case.

I wonder if there's an age issue as well. I'm old enough that I have seen most of my childhood favorites rebooted or remade several times by now, to the extent that remakes now longer fill me with the dread. That's just the natural lifecycle of popular series and characters.

("Oh, another version of TARZAN. Cool.")

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Well I do prefer 90s Trek to TOS. But yeah, the fact is 90s Trek fleshed out the Trek Universe the most and by rebooting Trek, we're losing that the most.