Where are we right now??

[Miss Lemon]

"Whatever our futures might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed"

I must be one of few hard-core Trekkies, but I was thrilled about this alternate reality thing when I watched the new movie for the very first time.

Trek needed some fresh stories, badly.

I'm going to stop identify myself as a Trekkie if Spock marries Uhura though.

 

[Greg Cox]

I'm going to stop identify myself as a Trekkie if Spock marries Uhura though.

Not even if there's a cool "Amok Time" battle at the wedding?

 

[RandyS]

Enterprise had 4 seasons only, it is over. It is also VERY good, especially seasons 3 and 4 which took a totally new direction from the first two seasons.

They are making a new movie, ST:XII which follows on from the one you saw a few years ago.

You can also watch the Star Trek Christmas Special from last year, it has Q as Santa Claus. Reviews were mixed.

Um, what?

 

[RandyS]

He was a guy from somewhere, but I can't place him. Stargate maybe?

Bruce Greenwood starred in Nowhere Man back in 1995. it aired on UPN right after the second season of Voyager.

 

[sojourner]

^and he's currently starring as "Emett Cole" on the soon to be short lived The River.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

"Whatever our futures might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed"

I must be one of few hard-core Trekkies, but I was thrilled about this alternate reality thing when I watched the new movie for the very first time. .

Oh a lot of people liked it. It preserves what we already have and it gives us an opportunity for endless NEW Trek. I am super happy about it

 

[Miss Lemon]

I'm going to stop identify myself as a Trekkie if Spock marries Uhura though.

Not even if there's a cool "Amok Time" battle at the wedding?

You do remember what battling Kirk did to Prime Spock's interest in his fiancee, don't you?
Poor Uhura.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

If there was a new TV series directly modeled after the new movies, how could it really be a part of the actual Trek franchise? Its just so at odds with what has come before based on the movie. I can't place them together and there are far too many people who are kind of fooling themselves into pretending like nu Trek is just some sort of organic, natural continuation of the Trek we love when they know its not true.

 

[Andymator]

If there was a new TV series directly modeled after the new movies, how could it really be a part of the actual Trek franchise? Its just so at odds with what has come before based on the movie. I can't place them together and there are far too many people who are kind of fooling themselves into pretending like nu Trek is just some sort of organic, natural continuation of the Trek we love when they know its not true.

It could be part of the actual Trek franchise by LITERALLY BEING A PART OF THE ACTUAL TREK FRANCHISE... As in; adventures in space based on Gene Roddenberry's 1960's TV show produced by the people who own the rights to do so. You don't have to like it, but don't fool yourself into thinking that makes any difference.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

It would be totally at odds with all the established Trek that would come before...I can't see it gelling at all. Its not like with TNG after TOS, its not just coming after 3 seasons and a couple of movies, but after like 24 seasons of a franchise and established rules/terms/races/worlds/technologies etc. If they throw a lot of that out the window, then how the heck would it be Trek in anything but name?

 

[xortex]

Is there something more important than money? I don't think so. Heck they're bound to come up with a good story by accident one day like a dozen monkeys in a room. In this case it's hired guns. A good story is irrelovant and secondary to entertainment. It's a business. Like McDonalds. It's nothing personal. I assure you.

 

[Greg Cox]

It would be totally at odds with all the established Trek that would come before...I can't see it gelling at all. Its not like with TNG after TOS, its not just coming after 3 seasons and a couple of movies, but after like 24 seasons of a franchise and established rules/terms/races/worlds/technologies etc. If they throw a lot of that out the window, then how the heck would it be Trek in anything but name?

So? We would just have a new version of STAR TREK, with a new continuity, that's all. That was the whole point of rebooting the franchise.

Just like the new versions of Hawaii 5-0 or Nikita or whatever.

I don't see the problem.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Well obviously it would be a problem for people like myself who appreciate the rich lore of Star Trek and would resent a television show that bears the name of said franchise but resembles it in very few ways.
And you don't need to say something like "well your opinion doesn't matter", I'm well aware I'm just a single fan and you're insignificant overall, I don't see why people around here are so fond of pointing that out to people like in some communist nightmare.

What I don't understand is the spinelessness of people who don't want to defend a beloved franchise because they're too busy trying to look accepting, up to date and open to change as that's what they've been conditioned to see as good traits.

 

[Greg Cox]

What I don't understand is the spinelessness of people who don't want to defend a beloved franchise because they're too busy trying to look accepting, up to date and open to change as that's what they've been conditioned to see as good traits.

Yikes. That's an awful lot of assumptions there, not to mention wild aspersions as to people's motives. "Spinelessness," really?

And who said you weren't entitled to your opinion? I was just pointing out that there's no reason any hypothetical new tv series has to be connected to the previous shows.

All of which is academic, since I'm not aware of any plans for a new series.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

And who said you weren't entitled to your opinion?

Well for example Andymator said "You don't have to like it, but don't fool yourself into thinking that makes any difference."
People saying stuff like that on here I find to be grating in the extreme.

Anyway, Star Trek basically is the world that's been established. What else is there besides that? The basic concept of "adventures in space"? Well then "Farscape" may as well be called a Star Trek spinoff if a new TV series were to ever completely reboot everything.
Saying "Well if its produced by Paramount/CBS whatever and they own Star Trek, then its Star Trek" doesn't really mean much to me. If someone bought those studios and made an 18th century courtroom drama starring Lindsay Lohan and called it "Star Trek", that doesn't mean its actually Star Trek to me or I'd imagine, most people.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I am a Trek fan since the 70's and I love JJ's Trek. I will welcome a new series, in fact I would probably nearly die of excitement. I am not trying to look accepting and I very much doubt anyone else on this board is. If people don't like something they feel pretty free here to say so and there are usually plenty of other people who will agree with them because it's a big forum.

As to why it is Trek.. it's the same universe. That's why Clone Wars and TPM are Star Wars just like ANH is Star Wars. That's why Matt Smith is Dr. Who just like William Hartnell is Dr. Who. All these franchises would be dead if they hadn't been recreated with new people and new ideas.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

New people and new ideas are fine. But would you really be happy with a new television series that effectively took place in a different universe from the established one? Because if you would be, I literally can't understand that one iota.

 

[Greg Cox]

Well, you would presumably still have the Starship Enterprise exploring brave new worlds, and probably a Vulcan or Klingon or two. You can still have something recognizably Star Trek even if you tinker with the details. Heck, apparently you can even skip the Enterprise part and set the series on space station called DS9 and still feel like Star Trek.

I mean, James Bond and Sherlock Holmes and Tarzan and Batman can survive multiple incarnations, updates, reboots, and continuities, but nobody ever confuses Mission: Impossible with The Prisoner. As long as the fundamentals remain intact, every different version of Zorro doesn't need to have the same continuity.

Heck, the new version of Galactica took place in a completely different universe from the old version. Didn't hurt it one bit.

That's just how remakes work.

 

[Captain_Nick]

New people and new ideas are fine. But would you really be happy with a new television series that effectively took place in a different universe from the established one? Because if you would be, I literally can't understand that one iota.

I get where you're coming from, I really do. But I can't agree. It doesn't matter.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

New people and new ideas are fine. But would you really be happy with a new television series that effectively took place in a different universe from the established one? Because if you would be, I literally can't understand that one iota.

So if there was a new tv series that took place in the Mirror Universe would you be just as rejecting?

The point is it's not a different universe. It's just a different timeline. I'd be happy with a series showing the E2 timeline from ENT or a series showing one of the timelines from that TNG ep with the multiple timelines. I'd be happy with one of Braxton's timelines. It's all the same universe, just showing Our Heroes after different choices are made.