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WHen will you watch Discovery? Will you get All Access?

When the resolve breaks and it is offered on Netflix or some other accessible means, then I will watch it. CBS Access is not economically feasible. They assume they are doing what the Phase II/Paramount Network plan was from the 70s: launch a network, use Star Trek as a flagship show, and build on that success. What they fail to understand is that Phase II would have been free to any viewer with a television set. It was not locked up by cable. And certainly it was not locked up by one channel you had to specifically pay a monthly fee to. It is a desperate attempt by network television to remain relevant, but no matter how hard you work at it, this is not going to work. Honestly what would work, which they have done, is to offer shows online and via streaming for free, supported by advertisement. Economically, what works is broadening the availability and accessibility, and not locking something behind a pay wall. Even for streaming services, these are packages of multiple shows, movies and other video content from various production companies. It is not going to work, and the show will suffer for it. At best, that resolve will break far too late. At worst, it will kill the show, and the whiz kid corporate executives behind it will blame anything but the failure of the delivery model and their plans to use it exclusively.
 
When the resolve breaks and it is offered on Netflix or some other accessible means, then I will watch it. CBS Access is not economically feasible. They assume they are doing what the Phase II/Paramount Network plan was from the 70s: launch a network, use Star Trek as a flagship show, and build on that success.

No they don't.

They're applying a current business model to this. No one cares about what happened with Phase II in the 70s, and it has no applicability to this.
 
No they don't.

They're applying a current business model to this. No one cares about what happened with Phase II in the 70s, and it has no applicability to this.

It does, because Phase II was going to be the engine to drive Paramount's newest televisual medium property, and now Discovery is going to be the designated engine to drive CBS's newest televisual medium property. And it won't work. CBS Access is not Netflix. It is not a service that offers multiple films and series from various different production companies and networks, film studios, etc. It is not a service like HBO, which is a premium content provider, with multiple networks and a lot of high end content. It is one network, which is freely available, which is now trying to do it's own pay streaming service. And it isn't going to work. They can drink the kool-aid of "CBS is just as good as HBO!" all they want. It isn't going to make it so. I cannot make a different example to say "it's as if [this bad idea happened]" because the example is literally this bad idea. It is a network trying to branch out on it's own, outside of packaged streaming services or Cable/Satellite providers, and charging a fee for it, in a desperate attempt to remain relevant. CBS is not that big or great. It isn't going to work because the masses are not going to pay $6 to $10 to watch one network's content and experience one network's ego trip. The future of media is in accessibility and packaging. CBS All Access is behind a paywall, and one designed only for CBS content. It won't work.

That being said, this isn't to cast hate on CBS. It is a cold, distant corporate entity. It isn't some mustache twirling nor some loving network either. It just is. I'm casting criticism based on how capitalism and this business model works. It is all about making money, they are not going to make money, and the audience and the show are going to suffer while the network also suffers because this is a bad idea. In capitalism, remember thou art mortal, and don't get a bigger ego than your economic possibilities. If this were, legitimately, a Netflix aired show globally (including the US), I would have absolutely full faith in it. It is a proven platform, you have the backing of this platform in production, it has a built in subscriber base, it will drive interest in other Star Trek series already on the platform, leading to a boost in the franchise overall without the network having to pay a dime outside of repackaging existing content, etc, etc, etc. I have given thought to this, and I can think of CBS All Access as nothing but a burden on everything, especially when it is the plan to only air it via that streaming service. I thought of the possibility of what if they aired it first via CBS All Access, and then a week later via CBS, but even that idea felt like why the heck even try with the CBS All Access to begin with? Because it is something that is not a thing that they want to be a thing, and the desperation is an unpleasant aroma.
 
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I won't be watching because I'll be geo-blocked by CBS All Access, so hopefully some entity in Canada picks it up.
 
I'll be watching it on Space, the Canadian cable TV channel, because Canada's the only country where it'll be on cable TV instead of streaming. As announced several months ago.
 
I'm casting criticism based on how capitalism and this business model works. It is all about making money, they are not going to make money, and the audience and the show are going to suffer while the network also suffers because this is a bad idea.

But they are going to make money, lots of it. The international distribution deal with Netflix has already paid for the series. So they have the opportunity to enter the streaming realm with a known property and another company mostly paying for it.

I'd say the way CBS is using one of their properties to enter the streaming world is damned near genius and there is little risk for them. Beyond pissing off a few folks who demand things be the way they've always been.
 
But they are going to make money, lots of it. The international distribution deal with Netflix has already paid for the series. So they have the opportunity to enter the streaming realm with a known property and another company mostly paying for it.

I'd say the way CBS is using one of their properties to enter the streaming world is damned near genius and there is little risk for them. Beyond pissing off a few folks who demand things be the way they've always been.

CBS' corporate gaming IS brilliant - but imo it has to be to make up for what I think is a dire show line-up
 
CBS' corporate gaming IS brilliant - but imo it has to be to make up for what I think is a dire show line-up

I don't think anyone is arguing that Trek alone will make All-Access a successful streaming service. But you have to start somewhere, and Trek is one heck of a starting point if done right. Especially considering they have Netflix footing most of the bill.
 
For the first time in 25 years I’ll be able to watch new Star Trek without having to wait years after the show aired in the US, hoping one of our own cable networks picks up the show.

Thank you Netflix :D!
 
It does, because Phase II was going to be the engine to drive Paramount's newest televisual medium property, and now Discovery is going to be the designated engine to drive CBS's newest televisual medium property.

It's good that you're interested in the supposed parallels, but they're really not.

And it won't work.

It probably will.

There was no point at which Netflix was supposed to work, until it did.
 
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I will watch Discovery as soon as I can do so for free.

i.e. within 24 hours of it being streamed on the infranet.
 
I don't mind making accounts for services I know I'll use often. Doing it to watch just one show kind of leaves me cold, though as I said I do find 10minutemail.com very useful for disposable email stuff (I hope it works with CBS).
I believe what he meant was to have a single "junk" account that you use for mess like subscriptions, but not for regular communication. I, for instance, have a Yahoo! account for all such nonsense. All of the advantages of 10minutemail, but you can actually get useful things like password resets for the services you sign up with using it, if need be. ;)
 
Why do folks imagine that a studio would produce a television series or movie in order to give it away for free?

If CBS thought there was a prospect of making more money from Star Trek through the license fees that their network arm (or, hypothetically, some other network) would pay them than they expect to make by streaming, Star Trek would be on so-called "free TV."

They have the experience to know that's a non-starter.

Industry professionals are often wrong in their expectations and their strategies for success. Outsiders and fans, however, have no track record of producing success whatever to point to. Many like to point to their past record of predicting gloom and doom as some evidence that they're hip to how things work, but - again, in the absence of any experience formulating success - being good at predicting failure is not only useless from a business POV but in fact meaningless given that the bleating about what won't work is immediate, general and without end.

You "knew" that X-Y-Z from two years ago would fail and you said so? Well, even a blind pig finds an acorn every now and again.
 
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But they are going to make money, lots of it. The international distribution deal with Netflix has already paid for the series. So they have the opportunity to enter the streaming realm with a known property and another company mostly paying for it.

I'd say the way CBS is using one of their properties to enter the streaming world is damned near genius and there is little risk for them. Beyond pissing off a few folks who demand things be the way they've always been.

It is leaving the American market derelict in the near future based on a hare brained idea that somehow CBS All Access is a viable sole medium for the show. Ardent fans may pay for it, but not all of them will. And certainly this does nothing to break the series in for a prospective audience on the whole. And that is not good for business. The very idea of capitalism is that markets are to be exploited. With this, you are limiting your revenue stream from the show, and the related revenue streams from the media franchise as a whole. I could see this as long term posturing to put them into a better bargaining position for licensing and distribution rights to Netflix, syndication, or whatever other mediums may be at play. It would be a poor move from an audience perspective, but it has the potential to be a sound business decision: sacrifice a season to be in a better position for the future of the show as a revenue source; broaden the show and revenue through the threat of keeping it on your sole propriety medium if Netflix or whoever does not like your terms. It would be darn near brilliant. However, that does not appear to be their thinking on it.


It's good that you're interested in the supposed parallels, but they're really not.

It is a network assuming one Star Trek show will be the flagship show, and the engine that drives all related success for the network.

It probably will.

There was no point at which Netflix was supposed to work, until it did.

I cannot agree. There is a key difference. Netflix is multiple shows and movies from a wide and varied plethora of sources. It offers the whole of visual media pinpointed based on viewer habits. And it may not have everything, but it has a lot, and some shows and films come and go, and there is always new content. That is why it works. Netflix is not one channel. Netflix is television. CBS All Access is one channel, only their content, and not only that, it is paying for it to watch one show. Not enough people are going to do that. I'm not paying $10 a month because I could watch "Blue Bloods" too, which incidentally I can also watch on far better sources like my cable's on-demand service or Netflix. People do not pay for Showtime only to watch "Ash vs. Evil Dead"; they pay for it because of a number of shows and premium content, and it generally comes as a package with other premium content providers like HBO, or with multiple channels of Showtime. One show may create an initial interest, but it is all the content related to that show that reels them in. "I could watch Evil Dead, but I also get all these movie channels and I'm interested in these other shows". CBS is not Showtime. There is nothing here to offer incentive or sweeten the pot for the consumer. That is not going to work. If not a bluff to better position the company, it is very shortsighted.

I will watch Discovery as soon as I can do so for free.

i.e. within 24 hours of it being streamed on the infranet.

Which is the other problem. And which is why accessibility is important. If you put it behind a pay wall, which it is so unpalatable to get through, people will simply circumvent the wall. And that means no revenue for the company. People will pay for this on Netflix, because they have it already or they have other things of interest in or on Netflix. People would even buy the Blu-Ray/DVD of a season -- although I get the feeling they will charge some overpriced rate if/when it is released on physical media, which goes along with the problem of inaccessibility. If you put something in front of someone and they want it, and say "pay me $5 for all of it", people will just do it. But if you limit accessibility, people will just say screw it and get it for free through illegal means and avoid all the hassle, and avoid paying you for it too. That is the nature of the beast. The "underground economy", or the black market as non-economists call it, is an actual area considered in economics. It exists, and it needs to be taken into consideration as a factor.

In blunt economic and business terms, if CBS were a person sitting right here in front of me, I would tell them to stop living in a fantasy world of what you would like. Stop believing in the company slogan that you are the best and everyone loves your network that someone gives at the annual picnic. This is the real world. Accept the cold, hard reality. There are things you can do and try. It is alright to look ahead to the future, and to even take risks. But it needs to be underlined by understanding what works and is viable and what is hot air. This is all make believe and self assurance. This is not going to work in the American market or any market. There is not going to be CBS All Access in every home. You are not the next Netflix. You are not HBO. In the digital streaming age, you are a hold out on a fading medium, and you are a content provider to distributors of streaming media. You are not Netflix. You sell shows to Netflix.
 
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I'll read the reviews and probably buy the Blu ray box-set on day of release. Whenever that happens. I can't see me doing Netflix here in the UK, based on details revealed so far. But we'll see if that changes in the weeks after the first episode goes online. I do miss the buzz of new Star Trek each week. Not sure if this was exactly how I saw its return to the small screen happening though.
 
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Being Dutch is awesome right now, since Netflix will stream it here, and I already have that. No added worries.
 
It is leaving the American market derelict in the near future based on a hare brained idea that somehow CBS All Access is a viable sole medium for the show. Ardent fans may pay for it, but not all of them will. And certainly this does nothing to break the series in for a prospective audience on the whole. And that is not good for business. The very idea of capitalism is that markets are to be exploited. With this, you are limiting your revenue stream from the show, and the related revenue streams from the media franchise as a whole. I could see this as long term posturing to put them into a better bargaining position for licensing and distribution rights to Netflix, syndication, or whatever other mediums may be at play. It would be a poor move from an audience perspective, but it has the potential to be a sound business decision: sacrifice a season to be in a better position for the future of the show as a revenue source; broaden the show and revenue through the threat of keeping it on your sole propriety medium if Netflix or whoever does not like your terms. It would be darn near brilliant. However, that does not appear to be their thinking on it.

You really have no eye towards the future. CBS sees the writing on the wall, that streaming is the way to go, and they are using one of their properties in a low risk scenario to try to get in on it.

Will it work? I don't know? CBS will have to bring more to the table than just Star Trek, but I tend to think they know that.
 
When I read that the Netflix buy paid for the series I couldn't help thinking how much more confidence I would have right now if Netflix was producing Discovery instead of CBS.

Has it been stated anywhere what the actual amount paid was?
 
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