That's the bootlegging option -- but I think i'll use your word instead
WHen will you watch Discovery? Will you get All Access?
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21st century America. Claim we're proud of stealing and looking for reasons to justify it.
Oh, yeah that's right. I prefer to just call it stealing because that's really what it is. Bootlegging makes it sound almost...quaint? Even pirating I think obscures it. People seem to feel comfortable saying, "I just pirate it" but I don't think as many people would feel as comfortable with themselves if they said "I just steal it."
Pirating -- this involves crime on the high seas, unlikely to apply
Stealing -- this involves taking something with the intent to deprive, perhaps stealing a distribution tape or a dvd with it on
Copying it -- this I suspect is what you mean.
Bootlegging tends to be used when it's copyright infringement, but there's no legitimate way to obtain the material, which while still technically illegal is more forgivable in my eyes. YMMV.
Stealing -- this involves taking something with the intent to deprive, perhaps stealing a distribution tape or a dvd with it on
Copying it -- this I suspect is what you mean.
Bootlegging tends to be used when it's copyright infringement, but there's no legitimate way to obtain the material, which while still technically illegal is more forgivable in my eyes. YMMV.
Which, outside of China, isn't a problem. It will be available pretty much everywhere in the world.
There's no difference between stealing a digital copy of a show from the internet and stealing a physical copy of the same show from a store. It's theft. It's depriving the artist of the compensation they've earned through their work, either way.
"But the exposure!"
There's no difference between stealing a digital copy of a show from the internet and stealing a physical copy of the same show from a store. It's theft. It's depriving the artist of the compensation they've earned through their work, either way.
"But the exposure!"
There is clearly a difference, and that difference is recognised in both the dictionary and the law, with copyright infringement in law being treated far more seriously. You've also got the crazy situation where in my country I'm not allowed to copy a CD I've bought from a store and put it onto my phone to play on the way to work, and in both our countries we're not allowed to copy our own DVDs onto a nas drive to play from our smart TV in the other room which doesn't have a DVD drive plugged up.
If you steal a DVD from a store the creator still gets paid - it's the store that takes the loss. If you watch something that you wouldn't watch if you couldn't get it for free, the person losing out is probably someone on youtube (as you spend 45 minutes watching your copied tv program instead of watching 45 minutes of youtube cat videos), not the creator of the video.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people paying for content -- my wage and my pension comes from intellectual property rights, but call a spade a spade.
However to try to remain close to topic, BillJ is right in the case of Discovery (unlike many other shows) -- there's no excuse not to pay a tiny fee to watch the episodes, and I look forward to netflix having the "Discovery" icon filled with many hours of enjoyment and many more of discussion and nitpicking
Copying media for yourself, like burning a CD from digital music files, is a totally separate issue. You've paid for it.That's very different. Copyright law isn't perfect, I won't make that claim.
However, I don't think you're considering the full ramifications of pirating shows or stealing them from a store. The equivalency is that you're taking something that you should've paid for. You're stealing something the artists and production staff worked long, difficult hours to produce. Sure, they're paid as they make the show. But if more people are pirating the show online than there are people watching it on CBSAA or Netflix, CBS will cancel the show, and the creators lose their jobs. BestBuy may purchase TOS dvd stock in advance, but if they're moving stock through loss rather than sales, they'll stop buying that stock, and CBS stops making those dvds. Shows live and die by their legitimate viewership, and pirating increases DSC's chances of getting canceled.
The equivalency may not be 1-to-1 in terms of legal definitions, but there's a moral equivalency for sure, and economic effects that result in similar outcomes (they cancel it, the creators lose their jobs). Artists deserve to get paid for their work, and the success of a show ties directly to whether creators will continue to get paid. I can't imagine going to a convention and meeting the DSC cast/crew and knowing that I pirated their show.
Anyway, continuing this discussion might be better suited for its own thread. But it's an important issue for people to consider as DSC gears up to premier and people figure out how and when they want to see the show. We as fans need to think about whether we're contributing to its success or failure, and whether we're supporting the artists and crew who worked on the show.
Yes, New Zealand.
Enjoy!!
Since I'm in the US, I'm going to give it a shot on CBS TV before I open my wallet to pay for yet another stinking streaming service. I already pay for Netflix and a HEFTY cable package, I'm really not looking to shell out more unless the product is good. If I do indeed go ahead and sign up to watch Star Trek: Discovery, I'll cancel as soon as the season is finished.
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There is really nothing wrong with doing that. It is streaming service's job to keep you paying by releasing interesting content. If there is nothing interesting going on, then you cancel.
Would it be possible for you to cancel Netflix for couple of months and get CBS instead? That way you would still pay just for one service.
I suppose it would be possible to cancel Netflix for a time to save a bit of cost, but it wouldn't be practical due to the other things that I watch on Netflix. What really gets my blood boiling is that I already pay for Netflix and, because for their "deals", I have to pay for AllAccess too. If I were to live in Canada, UK of EU, I'd not have to bear any additional cost because it would be on Netflix anyway. My cable package has "OnDemand" which gives me access to just about anything that is currently on CBS. I'll literately be paying for AllAccess for one thing and one thing only (Discovery). That just chafes my shorts.....
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It actually may be more useful to your needs than you think. I used to think about antenna TV similarly - oh that's just for those living in rural areas without cable/satellite or who can't afford those services. But nowadays it's what all the hip young cord-cutters are doing. The channels are in HD, often times in better quality than the HD channel you get through cable. It really does make sense, and basically completely replaces Hulu. Why pay to watch current shows on Hulu when you can watch them for free using an antenna (you don't typically need an outdoor antenna, my indoor digital antenna suffices even in my house with brick in the walls)? The only problem you need to solve is how to record the shows so you don't have to watch them as they air.
In my case I "cut the cord" about three years ago now. Most of the shows I was watching on a regular basis were on the main four networks anyway (CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX). So why was I paying $100 a month to watch shows I could get for free? Mostly to make use of the cable service's DVR. I bought a Tivo instead, and canceled cable. A Tivo seems expensive at first, but compared to what I was paying for cable the price was already recouped a long time ago. I always had, and continue to use Netflix, which captures the cable shows that I watched (American Horror Story, Walking Dead).
So now I'm getting the same content that I was watching before, in better quality and with a better DVR service, for $9.99 a month, plus the initial cost of the antenna and Tivo. Sure beats $100 a month for cable or satellite.
It always baffles me that more people don't just use antennas, it's like they have forgotten they still exist. It's FREE people!
If you would live somewhere else than the USA, Netflix would be far less attractive though. Netflix isn't offering nearly as many series and movies in most of them.
https://www.finder.com/netflix-usa-vs-world-content
When you compare the amount of series/movies the USA get with the amount other countries have, it is only this:
country: series - movies
USA: 100% - 100%
Canada: 54% - 56%
Ireland: 47% - 53%
Lithuania: 47% - 52%
UK: 38% - 35%
Belgium: 38% - 32%
Netherlands: 34% - 33%
France: 33% - 32%
Luxembourg: 32% - 34%
Sweden: 31% - 38%
Denmark: 30% - 39%
Finland: 29% - 38%
Greece: 28% - 31%
Germany: 28% - 31%
Malta: 28% - 31%
Austria: 24% - 30%
Spain: 20% - 23%
Portugal: 19% - 12%
Poland: 18% - 12%
Slovenia: 18% - 12%
Slovakia: 18% - 12%
Bulgaria: 18% - 12%
Croatia: 17% - 12%
Romania: 17% - 12%
Latvia: 17% - 12%
Czech Republic: 17% - 12%
Italy: 17% - 22%
Hungary: 15% - 12%
Estonia: 15% - 12%
They didn't list Cyprus, but otherwise all EU countries (still including UK by the way) and Canada are there. Still so envious?
I read so many complains from US Americans about how most of the rest of the world just have to get "great" Netflix, while they themselves have to get "crap" CBS All Access. What they all seemingly don't get is, that Netflix is kind of crap in most countries of the world, too.
And it is not just EU countries. What should the poor Albanians say? Netflix only offers 33 series there, 2.85% of the amount of series, they offer in the USA.
Unfortunately, the transition from analog broadcasting to digital robbed many households of access to stations that could be received before the format switch. Analog signals were easily receivable with indoor/outdoor antennas, but digital signals aren't. If you're lucky to live in the right city, and in the right location, you can pick up all your broadcast local stations. I can only pick up 2 stations now with an antenna, only one of them is a network affiliate. In the old days, I got 15 stations-3 more when it rained.
So cable is a must for some if you desire all your local network affiliates.
There are equally situations where people say, "So an antenna is a must if I desire anything at all." They don't contradict each other; only complement where there is a need.
Unfortunately, the transition from analog broadcasting to digital robbed many households of access to stations that could be received before the format switch. Analog signals were easily receivable with indoor/outdoor antennas, but digital signals aren't. If you're lucky to live in the right city, and in the right location, you can pick up all your broadcast local stations. I can only pick up 2 stations now with an antenna, only one of them is a network affiliate. In the old days, I got 15 stations-3 more when it rained.
So cable is a must for some if you desire all your local network affiliates.
That is unfortunate. Thankfully I live near a major city, so I've been able to get all of the channels that I had before, if not more. The digital converter box coupon was also a big help at the time of the transition, because although I'm in a better position now I would not have been able to afford it on my own back then. I thought they did a pretty good job of advertising it, but I guess not because I was often telling friends and family who hadn't heard about it. What I'm learning is that I'm one of those people who stays on top of technological changes (and a good deal, I'll never pass up a free lunch!), but most people just aren't aware.
I will definitely watch the first episode premiere since it will broadcast on antenna t.v. for free. Buying a monthly online subscription to watch one show doesn't interest me. Besides, someday CBS will air ST: D for free on antenna t.v. anyway when they need to fill a slot so why pay for it.
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