No it isn't.
Other then the window for a view screen, none of this would fit in the Kelvin Timeline.
When will the Constitution Class make an appearance?
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Other then the window for a view screen, none of this would fit in the Kelvin Timeline.
Of course if one production team spends significant time and effort on thinking out how to create and present a pre-TOS period aesthetic (re)designed to appeal to the sensibilities of a 21st-century audience, and then another production team that includes at least a few of the very same people seeks to do the same, there's bound to be at least some overlap in the results. It's not necessarily an indication that one is at all meant to fit with the other. Rather, they're both meant to fit with the same source material, i.e. TOS, and since neither wholly failed in that goal any similarities should scarcely be surprising.
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This stands to reason, since the Kelvin ship is from the Prime Universe and would be similar to the Shenzou.
The Constitution class will be the SR-71 blackbird of Starfleet.
Riding on the Coattails of "Beyond's" critical success is one possible goal. I have the impression that international audiences aren't so quick to nerd rage over canon violations as the American section of fandom and most will just be excited to get more spaceship porn of the latest version of the Enterprise.
That's what SHE said.
Blue Kelvin-style jumpsuit uniforms rather than the skittlebag t-shirts...
Kelvin-style warp drive FX
Kelvin-style weapon FX
Kelvin-style set design on the bridge, corridors and interior spaces
Kelvin-style designs for Klingon ships and makeup
Kelvin-style shuttlecraft with military-esque interiors rather than the minivan-style TOS shuttle
Hand-phasers: red for kill, blue for stun.
Literally the only thing about this series that suggests it isn't part of the Kelvin universe is a couple of the producers saying it doesn't. If they hadn't said anything, the conclusion would be hard to escape... but then, it would also be a somewhat massive continuity violation since Starfleet didn't have an actual war with the Klingons prior to STID.
I would go so far as to bet that the producers had THIS in mind when they distances themselves from the Kelvin timeline: they wanted to do a story about the Klingon War but didn't want to have to fit their storylines into the Kelvinverse timeline where that war either didn't happen or wouldn't have happened until after STID.
Considering that the entire existence of the Kelvin moves was "what would TOS look like if it were produced today", I find it not very surprising a tv-show, set in the TOS era, made today, has more than a few visual similarities with the Kelvin movies. In fact, the Kelvin movies, warts and all they may have, were pretty spot on in their production design.
What IS the difference between the universes is indeed only the events that happened in them. E.g. Kelvin-Spock probably didn't have an adopted sister, but Nimoy-Spock is now retconned to have had one. There was no Federation/klingon war before Kirk in the Kelvin movies, and Vulcan will survive in Discovery.
At least that it's what it currently looks like. All of this might be retconned in later episodes or even future series from now on.
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Good points. But also interesting would be if -- and it is a big if -- they give us a glimpse of a Cadet or Lieutenant Kirk. Discovery takes place in the year 2256, would would put it not too long after Kirk enters the academy in ST09. Part of me wants to think that's a coincidence, but Burnham's mentioning of the Enterprise could easily mean she's talking about a new ship yet to be launched that all of the cadets want to be on. This would still be almost consistent with TOS in a way since technically Pike is still in command of the Enterprise at this time and might (by 2256) even be taking the ship on a shakedown cruise or two with a certain female first officer at the helm?
The Kelvinverse Kirk entered the Academy later in life than his prime counterpart did. (nuKirk is about 25 when he signs up.)
As for DSC, if Kirk ever turns up on the show I am sticking with my suspicion that they'll use the Farragut disaster. Which is a year away, timeline-wise.
(And that, IMHO, will be a perfect time for a Constitution-class ship to appear. If there are any scenes on the Farragut's bridge, they won't have to worry about TOS trappings, since the bridge will probably be in some disrepair, as will a great deal of the rest of the interior...so all they'll have to deal with is the exterior of the ship.)
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I take it you meant "now" rather than "not" here?
I noticed that most of the ship crew numbers listed so far have been pretty small compared to a Connie. Not going on anything built after the Kelvin incident, the Kelvin itself is by comparison gigantic with a crew of around 800. Shenzou was just a small scout by comparison with a crew not much larger than an NX. I suspect if we do see a Connie she's going to be physically much larger than a Crossfield or anything else we've seen so far.
I don't recall the numbers that have been mentioned in DSC offhand, so maybe your point stands anyway, but remember that the Enterprise in "The Cage" only had a crew of 203, which was later more than doubled for the series proper.
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Apparently, that increase was occurring around this time, at least in the case of the Farragut, per "Obsession" [TOS], where "200 crewmen" lost to the cloud creature constituted "nearly half the crew." (And just because I'm now thinking about it, to @Mr. Laser Beam's comment above, I'm not sure the creature did any physical damage to the ship itself, just to the people. But I suppose if half the crew is killed, things are bound to go at least somewhat awry beyond only the deaths. So it's still quite possible she could have been in disarray, yes.)
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Yep, I did! Sorry, typo. Edited my original post.
This design by Swiddy on Deviantart is by far the winner in modern design takes for a Constitution with consideration for TMP and Discovery.
I wouldn't be surprised if DSC ignored that bit.
I don't know why, I guess I just assumed that it did. I can't remember, did it actually damage the Enterprise itself in "Obsession"?
(IIRC, young Lt. Kirk actually had to take command of the Farragut for a short time immediately after the attack, because the XO was injured. Since as far as I know, being attacked by the cloud creature meant instant death, I assumed that the XO's injuries related to damage to the ship itself...)
I agree.
It's not like the AbramsTrek art designers said to themselves "Let's build a new aesthetic based on what things would be like in an alternate universe." Instead what they probably said was (as you pointed out) "Let's build a new aesthetic based on a star trek movie made in 2009".
Yeah, but retconning an adopted sister for Spock doesn't bother me. But then again, I was never bothered that they retconned a half-brother, either.
Nice.This design by Swiddy on Deviantart is by far the winner in modern design takes for a Constitution with consideration for TMP and Discovery.
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