When did the TOS crew die?

[trekshark]

Um, @trekshark, was there supposed to be more to that post than a quote?

fixed it, my text was inside the middle of the quote

 

[Warped9]

Caution: rant ahead.

I know some fans loved it, but I cringed at that finale. It struck me as mannered and unnatural on the human level, due to the writing and acting. One contender for worst moment: "So this is how it ends." Does he know he's in a movie? Who talks like that?

Plus, it was unrealistic on the Starfleet service level. Nobody on that bridge is working for a living. Nobody is looking at their instruments. The ship is flying itself— the helm chair is empty, obviously to reinforce the Wonder of Sulu (whose job didn't need doing?). And Sulu's own ship is flying itself, while his 63-man bridge crew take a video call together. Nobody has to work. And to cap it off, the scene is written to change the Enterprise from a capital ship on deployment to a pleasure cruise for the officers. But they're acting like passengers anyway, so at that point, why not?

Truth is while I saw each of the first six films when they were released and enjoyed them all (in varying degree) I have long gotten over feeling great about most of them anymore. I still kinda like specific moments, but overall they mostly just don’t do it for me anymore.

I like TMP, because of the DE, ever more than I used to, but the rest have not aged well for me. TMP represented a beginning of new adventures, but TWOK-TUC was a progression of putting our heroes out pasture. It’s sad looking at those films now.

 

[Phoenix219]

Truth is while I saw each of the first six films when they were released and enjoyed them all (in varying degree) I have long gotten over feeling great about most of them anymore. I still kinda like specific moments, but overall they mostly just don’t do it for me anymore.

I like TMP, because of the DE, ever more than I used to, but the rest have not aged well for me. TMP represented a beginning of new adventures, but TWOK-TUC was a progression of putting our heroes out pasture. It’s sad looking at those films now.

The often hated Final Frontier, is the one movie of that set, that does none of those things, and instead is launching them on the start of new adventures again.

 

[Warped9]

The often hated Final Frontier, is the one movie of that set, that does none of those things, and instead is launching them on the start of new adventures again.

Immediately followed by a final putting them out to pasture.

 

[Phoenix219]

Immediately followed by a final putting them out to pasture.

I at least like to imagine a third five year mission full of wonder and excitement in the interim.....

 

[fireproof78]

They can't adventure forever

 

[Warped9]

They can't adventure forever

Considering the age of the characters another 5-year mission following TMP could be believable, but after that it would be really pushing it as these characters should be advancing in rank and position and moving on to other assignments.

 

[fireproof78]

Considering the age of the characters another 5-year mission following TMP could be believable, but after that it would be really pushing it as these characters should be advancing in rank and position and moving on to other assignments.

And it did push it.

 

[dupersuper]

Immediately followed by a final putting them out to pasture.

I can see this for 2 and 6, but 3, 4 and 5 are pretty straight Star Trek adventures. 3 even revives a dead character. Then 4 gives us a fun time travel adventure capped off with a brand new ship (which to me - as a comic and novel reader - they went on to have many adventures in).

 

[Phoenix219]

And it did push it.

I think they could have managed a third, after TFF, as part of the "demotion and punishment" that was really a reward. By then, it would have been a choice by the unit, and "should be moving on in their careers" is no longer really valid, as they put their lot in as a unit when breaking the law / deciding their future fate laid on the "A."

 

[Phaser Two]

I think they could have managed a third, after TFF, as part of the "demotion and punishment" that was really a reward. By then, it would have been a choice by the unit, and "should be moving on in their careers" is no longer really valid, as they put their lot in as a unit when breaking the law / deciding their future fate laid on the "A."

Great point. And honestly, assuming any sort of Federation media disseminated to the public (something only hinted at a few times in canon, such as in Generations' prologue) and given the idealized position that Starfleet almost certainly occupied in the public eye, telling towering galactic legends Kirk, Spock et al. to hang it up wasn't likely to be a run-of-the-mill signoff for the top brass.

 

[Henoch]

Immediately followed by a final putting them out to pasture.

"Immediately" seems harsh. In-universe, I put ST6:TUC about 11 years after ST5:TFF. Time for two more 5 year missions.