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When did Discovery JUMP the Shark?

Lord Garth said:
I've dealt with trolls, actual trolls, and I've been here 25 years, so I know the real deal when I see it...

TerryTrekker isn't a troll. He's just someone I disagree with about DSC.
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Sorry guys, I don't know everyone here that well but objectively, everything about the OP fits the profile of Trolling. I stick by it. There is no other objective than to bash the show.

The troll alert stands
 
The very first post in this thread seems to take a perverse joy in reiterating the word "cancelled" as often as possible. The toxicity is real, and was there from before the show even premiered amongst a subset of fans. That was the real moment of danger this show faced - and it faced it before it even started. Trolling? No. Intentionally provocative? Yes. How dare 5 seasons in this day and age be considered anything but a flop if we didn't personally like it... I wonder if when inevitably SNW is cancelled at the end of S5 (or even, quite possibly, before then, which would be a bitter pill) the poster will just as happily slap the "cancelled" label on it repeatedly just to annoy fans of the show.. I have a feeling not (even if it does end up cancelled before S5 and doesn't run as long as DISCO has - magically it will be chalked up as a massive success whereas DISCO is a failure..)

To try and make this post have any discussion value though, my view would be that the 32nd Century jump should have been the making of the show, yet for whatever reason wasn't for me. I think they missed the opportunity to really flesh out the time period and make it truly different to the previous eras we've seen. It could have been what the 24th Century was to the 23rd in terms of new era-building, but we've barely had a scrap of what the major powers have gotten up to (whats with the Klingons these days? Cardassians?).

Appreciating the jump is a lot further ahead than TNG was to TOS, and overall we've had far less screen time to establish the 32nd century than we had across the shows in the 24th century, but the 32nd century feels more like an Apple-slick design aesthetic version of the 24th/25th Centuries at the moment, and some of the more interesting era-building elements (e.g. seeing the long-gestating but now established reunification of Vulcan and Romulus) feel like background pieces to the overall stories.
 
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As with anything, there are ups and downs...

I just rewatched season 1 and found it quite entertaining. But there are some sticky points for sure. And turning Lorca from a fascinating anti-hero to a moustache twirling villain was a mistake.
Season 2 is my favorite for the Pike of it all but probably could have been a little tighter. You can definitely tell there were some issues behind the scenes on this one as the show shifts very suddenly.
Season 3 is slow and plodding, not quite my jam. Its an interesting idea pushing Disco to the far future but the execution here was a little lacking.
Season 4 is better and definitely has Trek at its very core but also probably could have stood to be shorter.
I had fun with the feel of the first two episodes of Season 5. Also, not really my thing, but those who love callbacks and canon would actually get a lot of enjoyment out of what we've seen so far.
 
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Some still find a lot of positives in the series, but they can't help but notice that audience interest in it has peaked. This becomes especially obvious in light of its cancellation. It seems like most fans don't have much interest in future seasons. The first seasons received some positive response, especially the second with Pike, who gave the series new life. However, the third season proved to be a turning point. Many believe that this is where Discovery lost its way.
 
As much as it pains me, I agree with the OP. Discovery was a good show up until the end of the 2nd season. I didn't care for the new Klingons but overall enjoyed the first season. The 2nd season was by far the best. Before SNW premiered, I rewatched not the entire season but parts of including the spectacular finale.

Unfortunately, it seemed to plummet. 3rd season was the worst. The cause of the burn was utterly laughable. The 4th season was a slight improvement. It was a very Star Trek story. But unfortunately they didn't have enough story to fill the episodes.

So far, I'm enjoying the 5th season but we're only two episodes in.
 
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I still watch it, but man it is pretty bad. The dialog and even the plot in some ways are just so unbelievable. Take this week for example, while the time bug led to a cool plot, it is utterly unbelievable. A device that causes people to travel in time just to stop/trap them. Huh? The bug could have worked for its purpose if it did everything except for the time traveling. It could have leeched on to power, protected itself. The time traveling part of it was both extremely unneeded and also its weakness. Nobody would ever add such a huge capability to something that the mission would never need.
 
TerryTrek said:
As we approach Discovery's final season and Cancellation, lets look back at where things went off track.

There may be a few fans who think Disco has always been super fantastic and never dipped.

However, this is for those who noticed that audience apathy for the show has reached it's peak. Especially amidst the cancellation. There doesn't seem to be much fan demand for future seasons.


It seemed there was some positivity for Season 2. Pike was universally praised and brought new life to the show. The storyline and writing made no sense, but audiences seemed charmed by Pike at least.


Then came Season 3. This is usually where Trek shows find their footing. I think this was the season that Broke Discovery.

Everything hinged on the Burn mystery. Even a lot of the braindead story decisions (like Ensign Tilly being made first officer) could have been waved away if The Burn payed off. It didn't.

The story of the crying superpowered Kelpien, crying for his mommy...causing the Burn was underwhelming at best, silly at worst. Even reviewers that defend Discovery like TrekCulture, admitted that this was lame.


After that, I noticed all the IMDB scores for Disco S4 episodes were consistently low;
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/episodes/?season=4&ref_=tt_eps_sn_4

Tending to fall in the 5/10 range. Still with thousands voting.


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IMO S3 is where Discovery burned away it's audience goodwill.
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Does anyone actually watch it? Stopped after first season. Woke trek
 
Season 1 started in the shark tank and season 2 dragged it out.

I agree they haven’t made the 32nd century that interesting yet but I chalk that up to the serialized format and episode count leaving out the filler episodes that did a lot Bermantrek’s world building.
 
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Do the people who call everything “Woke” have any idea how tedious they are? They’re barely even hiding that they mean “I don’t like that you normalize LGBT identity and gender nonconformity but I’m calling it something else for bigotry deniability”.

Say specifically what you don’t like. Maybe at some points they are putting identity themes before deeper character development. At least then we could debate.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
Season 1 started in the shark tank and season 2 dragged it out.

I agree they haven’t made the 32nd century that interesting yet but I chalk that up to the serialized format and episode count leaving out the filler episodes that did a lot Bermantrek’s world building.
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I think you nailed the problem of the 32nd century right there... not enough world building due to low episode count that doesn't allow 'side quests', as my wife calls them. (Episodes that help make the world feel real and lived in.)

It's hard to care about an era when you have spent barely a Berman era season's worth of episodes in it with virtually no look at that era outside of 'we need to save the galaxy'.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
Do the people who call everything “Woke” have any idea how tedious they are? They’re barely even hiding that they mean “I don’t like that you normalize LGBT identity and gender nonconformity but I’m calling it something else for bigotry deniability”.

Say specifically what you don’t like. Maybe at some points they are putting identity themes before deeper character development. At least then we could debate.
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I'm just not bothering with them anymore. There's no point. We're in the final season, six episodes left. After this, they'll just move on to the next big thing to hate.

They'll forget about this show and, 10 years from now, they'll forget they even hated it. Just like they forget they hated Star Trek during the B&B Era.
 
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