What's your unpopular opinions on SNW?

[cooleddie74]

I mean, the random crazy guy screaming Bible verses on a city's street corner didn't write those verses but I sure know what to expect when it comes to the commentary and the presentation. Walking away and pretending I didn't make eye contact with them.

 

[fireproof78]

and it is the reason I suspect the show will last maybe two more seasons.

Unpopular opinion: SNW is done after two seasons.

 

[Mudd]

Unpopular opinion: SNW is done after two seasons.

That's not an opinion. It's just an unlikely prediction.

 

[Ovation]

But a show with too many girl bosses is gonna get on a guy's nerves.

As far as absurd statements go, this is an excellent example.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[fireproof78]

That's not an opinion. It's just an unlikely prediction.

Unpopular, unlikely, prediction: Two seasons, and a short movie.

My favorite show. Recently completed a rewatch. Still funny, and incredibly deep. It handled a lot of different issues, like homelessness, bigotry, and aging. Good show.

 

[ichab]

I’ll have to pore over the episodes to find more than a couple of examples that I can quote off the top of my head. One that I think represents the overall tone I am detecting is not from SNW but from DIS, the Short Trek with the guy who mutates the tribbles

Can't help you there as I never got into Discovery. It's also not relevant to the topic. If your issue is with NUTREK, then you need to discuss this in the general forum.

I think SNW suffers from an equal and opposite level of disregard for its audience.

Again, examples please. Not from Discovery or any other Trek show not named SNW.

 

[Death Ray]

No, but he wrote the crappy video. Which is the only kind of video he ever writes or produces.

The video is just a clip from SNW, you you are telling on yourself.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the issue Death Ray is seeing is in how casual the crew talk to PIke and Spock. It is true the crew doesn't follow that kind of rigid type of talking you have seen in past Trek shows and many shows focused on a military chain of command. Some see that sort of banter as disrespect I suspect. It's pretty they same kind of way the characters on the other current trek show in STAR TREK ORVILLE kind of talk with each other.

I would say this is more a style choice and yes it is more common these days but it still not about putting down men. Pike is simply different in he is Trek's second everyman Captain. First being CAPTAIN MERCER. Kirk was a Cowboy and Picard was a Diplomat and Sisko was a solder and Janeway was suppose to be a scientist but sort of became a insane person do to uneven writing and Archer was a test pilot explorer type and Burnham was suppose to be I think a everyman or everywomen but ended up becoming a cross between a CW star and someone on a soap opera with all the melodrama and constant crying and talking in soliloquies that were not as deep as the writers writing them must of have thought they were.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes, Pike's rapport with his crew and vice versa are very unprofessional and casual.

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[T'Bonz]

I'm not really seeing SNW as sexist. Pike is laid back, but takes no shit. He's no wimp; he takes chances. So he cooks. BFD. So did Sisko, and no one would have said he was anything but Alpha.

Spock is young, and still learning about his dual heritage. M'Benga in spite of being soft-spoken, turns out to have a helluva past and is one tough guy. I wouldn't want to cross him, that much is certain.

It's a nice mix of characters, male and female. There's something for everyone.

 

[fireproof78]

Burnham was suppose to be I think a everyman or everywomen

...? No, Burnham was a person recovering from trauma building back up from losing almost everything.

And, it's depth was just fine. It is actually quite Shakespearean as it exists in an "elevated reality" with intense soliloquies about emotions, like love, death, revenge and guilty, among others.

Kirk was a Cowboy

Also, no. Kirk was a soldier, and leader. He took care of his people, was harsh and unrelenting against his enemies, and gave digs in to his subordinates at times. Not a cowboy, as much as pop culture would like us to believe.

I'm not really seeing SNW as sexist. Pike is laid back, but takes no shit. He's no wimp; he takes chances. So he cooks. BFD. So did Sisko, and no one would have said he was anything but Alpha.

Spock is young, and still learning about his dual heritage. M'Benga in spite of being soft-spoken, turns out to have a helluva past and is one tough guy. I wouldn't want to cross him, that much is certain.

It's a nice mix of characters, male and female. There's something for everyone.

Damn straight.

 

[cooleddie74]

Picard would in 2368 call Spock's form of diplomacy "cowboy" and show deep concern over it but Spock was not only taking the right approach to Romulus and possible reunification but he successfully defended his era's forms of diplomacy and swagger. Janeway also called 23rd century Starfleet practices not likely to go without reprimand in her era but she also dreamed of serving alongside officers like Kirk, McCoy and Sulu and experiencing that century's forms of leadership and exploration.

 

[Nerys Myk]

...? No, Burnham was a person recovering from trauma building back up from losing almost everything.

And, it's depth was just fine. It is actually quite Shakespearean as it exists in an "elevated reality" with intense soliloquies about emotions, like love, death, revenge and guilty, among others.


Also, no. Kirk was a soldier, and leader. He took care of his people, was harsh and unrelenting against his enemies, and gave digs in to his subordinates at times. Not a cowboy, as much as pop culture would like us to believe.

Well some people call him a space cowboy Some people call him the gangster of love. Some people call him Maurice, because he speaks of the pompatus of love. But I guess some might find that too girly and woman oriented. And we can't have that.

 

[cooleddie74]

Kirk's not only a cowboy but he speaks Esperanto!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Kirk's not only a cowboy but he speaks Esperanto!

Spaco: la fina limo. Ĉi tiuj estas la vojaĝoj de la stelŝipo Enterprise. Ĝia kvinjara misio: esplori strangajn novajn mondojn; serĉi novan vivon kaj novajn civilizaciojn; kuraĝe iri kien neniu antaŭe iris!

 

[cooleddie74]

[*Spanish guitar twang*]

 

[Jayson1]

But does he have tengo fe de corazaon

 

[TRON JA307020]

But I don't understand why they cannot work within previous continuity. Having T'Pring show up for example. That did not have to happen. She's not even an interesting character. It goes against her appearance in TOS no matter how people try to justify it. Enterprise did a better job. I remember the outrage over the ferengi showing up.....lol.....now it's ok for Spock to be in a love triangle with Chapel and Tpring????.....I don't get it....lol
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Well they had sexual relations and a full blown boyfriend girlfriend relationship during Pikes captaincy but by the time of Kirk it's like it never happened. I mean come on. After the Khan time change thing with the romulans this is obviously a alternate version of events now. Still the prime universe but everything will be different. Once they get to the new Kirk series it will seal the deal and tos as it happened won't have happened or is in a different universe.

 

[fireproof78]

TOS no longer exists.

My DVDS and VHS have disappeared.