Mirror Pike has a bowl cut and you know it
What's your unpopular opinions on SNW?
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Mirror Pike has a bowl cut and you know it
You have yet to explain how this is “nonsense”. You wouldn’t say that it was “nonsense” that TOS, a show we all love, had elements of sexism. Why then would you deny that SNW could also contain sexism?
Also, given the brute fact that the regular cast of SNW is three men and SIX women, can we please not deny the obvious? Of course the show is more tailored towards women than men!
No.
Just no.
Just no.
Enjoy the sexist SNW. I'm afraid I don't see it.
Well, I'm not enjoying it, which is my point.
But put aside my claim of the show's many subtle digs at men ( I may have to do a super cut of the sort of moments I am talking about, but I think people would just ignore it). Can we at least agree that the ratio of men to women on SNW probably means that it is being written FOR women? Some people seem to think that that possibility reflects sexism on my part, but I can guarantee you that the implications of the casting are not lost on the show's creators.
I would advise not watching it and vote with your money.
No.
It's beyond foolish to limit your audience.
Your loss.
Why would you think that a show written for women would limit the audience? Can't men enjoy a show written for women? Also: Aren't all sorts of shows targeted at specific audiences?
My point is that I think a show that wants to keep its male audience can't make them feel like they are seen as the enemy of women.
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I feel this is self-explanatory.
Based on.this conversation I'm think no.
I am sure there are demographics in mind, but the tendency is to write to appeal to the broadest audience to ensure viewership and survivability on the air.
But, I'm not a TV writer. I'll defer to @Serveaux .
My unpopular opinion regarding SNW is that they should just keep going and roll right over TOS and to hell with it.
It's only an assumption, however dear to fans, that TOS chronicles the first three years of the so-called "five year mission." Maybe it takes place during the last three, and they pull into spacedock for refit a week after "Turnabout Intruder."
Or, maybe it's the middle three. In any event, let's just keep going with Hot Spock and nuKirk. If people want to assume that the original adventures happen during the in-between-weeks of the new show, that'll work.
And seriously, we don't have to swap out Erica to make a seat for Sulu or Chekov. She may have pretty limited character development, but she's light-years ahead of Mr. Hobby-of-The-Week or Accent Boy. Let's keep her and let them go.
It's only an assumption, however dear to fans, that TOS chronicles the first three years of the so-called "five year mission." Maybe it takes place during the last three, and they pull into spacedock for refit a week after "Turnabout Intruder."
Or, maybe it's the middle three. In any event, let's just keep going with Hot Spock and nuKirk. If people want to assume that the original adventures happen during the in-between-weeks of the new show, that'll work.
And seriously, we don't have to swap out Erica to make a seat for Sulu or Chekov. She may have pretty limited character development, but she's light-years ahead of Mr. Hobby-of-The-Week or Accent Boy. Let's keep her and let them go.
A show should never be written to EXCLUDE, but no show can be written broadly enough to appeal to everyone, if for no other reason than that some ignore certain genres.
This returns to my point about SNW. I think that the audience desired for this show is a diifferent one than in previous incarnations-- at the very least, the majority female cast is intended to attract more female viewers while hopefully not exiling the men., That is the problem I detect, however: There is too much "girl power" pandering in the form of digs at men rather than just a level playing field.
Maybe this is a consequence of the decision to abandon the "we're all friends here" approach of previous Treks and introduce greater character friction. Maybe they think the women have to be more present and aggressive in order that no one accuses them of an anti-woman bent. I dunno. I do think they need to add another POV male character, though.
Even if I grant this, I don't see the digs at men here. So, again, I will reiterate, I don't see this sexist version of SNW that somehow magically exists.
What I see is a variety of styles, and Pike presenting a very leadership oriented form of captaining, similar in style to Colonel Potter, allowing his people to do their jobs with his confidence. This is similar to many leaders I have worked under, both male and female.
Nor do I see anything in SNW that would be specifically targeted towards female audiences. I see what is very much reflective of 2010, 2020s style shows which are more interpersonal at times. Now, if that is more "female appealing" then I suppose that argument could be made. I would not. But then, I don't fit in to any stereotypical male mold and refuse to do so for the vast majority of my life.
SNW is about as sexist as Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood was a gangsta rap video program.
It's tough to criticize this show in a way that doesn't sound like I want some testosterone injection shoved into it's neck. I really don't. (If anything, I wish the show was more slow and cerebral). But I do aver that there are all sorts of subtleties to this show as written that, because I think they are targeted at women, sort of miss me and, I suspect, a lot of male viewers. If the dialogue was better, I think that would help a lot. If the characters didn't all seem to have the same voice, that would also help. As it is, this sort of sums up how I feel about the show:
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxymQ1mLgLK2PHZapADPiD4Vs9R7qIa9mA?si=fEC56UgGXRZuf7ff
You have yet to explain how this is “nonsense”. You wouldn’t say that it was “nonsense” that TOS, a show we all love, had elements of sexism. Why then would you deny that SNW could also contain sexism?
Also, given the brute fact that the regular cast of SNW is three men and SIX women, can we please not deny the obvious? Of course the show is more tailored towards women than men!
The female to male balance is overstated because it doesn't include James T Kirk, Sam Kirk, Admiral April and now Scotty in the mix. Sure not regulars but it would be a loosing argument to say they are not a big part of the show.
Congratulations to Captain Pike on the promotion.
It wasn't?
Well, my whole childhood was a lie then.
Until I have specific examples to work with I will dismiss this as just personal bias.
You see it one way; I see it another. Somehow, this male watches it just fine and finds the nuances and subtleties easy to follow. I might be a slow idiot male but I pick up on it.
DS9 had no fewer than eight important main cast and supporting/recurring characters if we count Jadzia, Ezri, Kira, Keiko, Leeta, Kai Winn, Molly O'Brien and Ishka. Entire episodes revolved around female characters and one even involved Quark donning female Ferengi makeup and appearance to experience what Ferengi females go through on a regular basis. I don't remember DS9 being accused of steering too far towards a "female audience."
Because, as usual, it's only bad when newer Trek does it.
At this point I feel like I have figured out why Star Trek is compared to Shakespeare. It isn't because it's timeless, or an exploration of humanity in a heightened reality. It's about Star Trek offering something outside the experience of the day to day person, and that this reality is designed to be way better than real life, and when real life inserts itself it's a bit too jarring for the picturesque future.
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