What's the worst canon decision in the history of Trek?

[1001001]

It seems to me the purpose of this thread is supposed to be "what was the worst thing established in canon?" All your complaints are contradictions of previously established things, not originally established things.

As much as I hate myself for getting involved in this discussion, I think the problem is that contradictions of things previously established are canon too.

"We don't use money" is canon.
"I just bought a boat" is canon.
"Money doesn't exist in the 24th century" is canon.
"Send it to our starship when it arrives. Charge to Doctor Crusher." is canon.

It's ALL canon.

 

[Kor]

Yes, the canon is merely the body of work. Inconsistencies within the canon are matters of continuity.

As someone around here once said years ago, "Continuity is the cement of our civilization, with which we ascend from chaos, using canon as our guide."

Kor

 

[J. Random Redshirt]

As much as I hate myself for getting involved in this discussion, I think the problem is that contradictions of things previously established are canon too.

"We don't use money" is canon.
"I just bought a boat" is canon.
"Money doesn't exist in the 24th century" is canon.
"Send it to our starship when it arrives. Charge to Doctor Crusher." is canon.

It's ALL canon.

Yes, that's what I thought (with the exception that I don't see it as being a problem). In that case, sounds like we agree on interpretation (a) (as below). Cheers...

So the question of this thread is (a) "What was the worst thing established in canon?", or (b) "What was the worst thing established in canon that has no effect or interaction with anything else established in canon?"

 

[Orphalesion]

That's because his middle name was not Tiberius it was Romulus... His father was an ancient Rome history buff...

in before Strange New Worlds reveals that Kirk has Romulan ancestors

Also Tiberius is just as connected to Ancient Rome as Romulus is, with the only real difference being that that Emperor Tiberius was a real person, while Romulus was a mythical character

 

[MAGolding]

in before Strange New Worlds reveals that Kirk has Romulan ancestors

Also Tiberius is just as connected to Ancient Rome as Romulus is, with the only real difference being that that Emperor Tiberius was a real person, while Romulus was a mythical character

Romulus was mythical? So you claim that the Roman offiical Romulus in the 5th century was mythical? The daughter of this "mythical" Romulua married another official named Orestes, also the name of a person in ancient myth. In 475 the "mythical" Orestes overthrew Julius Nepos, Roman Emperor in the western section of the Empire.

Instead of making himself emperor, Orestes made his young son emperor and ruled for him.. The boy was named after his mother's father. So the boy emperor was officially named Flavius Romulus Augustus, but he was nicknamed Romulus Augustulus (little Augustus") because of his youth.

And here are some more persons named Romulus.

• Romulus Augustulus, the last Western Roman Emperor
• Valerius Romulus (Divus Romulus), deified son of the Roman emperor Maxentius
• (Procopius?) Romulus, son of the Western Roman emperor Anthemius
• Romulus (fabulist)
• Romulus (martyr) (died 117), Christian martyr during the reign of the Roman emperor Trajan
• St. Romulus of Genoa, bishop of Genoa
• St. Romulus of Fiesole
• Romulus, martyr (see Donatus, Romulus, Secundian, and 86 Companions)
• Romulus Bărbulescu, Romanian writer
• Romulus Buia, Romanian footballer
• Romulus Cioflec, Romanian journalist
• Romulus Gabor, Romanian footballer
• Romulus Linney, American playwright, father of Laura Linney
• Romulus Miclea, Romanian footballer
• Romulus Vereș, Romanian serial killer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_(disambiguation)

 

[Tracy Trek]

-TNG introduces the characteristic look of Klingons with those iconic foreheads. I don't know for sure, but I could imagine that back then people didn't ask too many questions on why they looked so different than in TOS. It was probably seen as a simple question of design and I think there was, unlike today, no urge to demand an in-universe explanation for everything.

Actually the ridged Klingon foreheads were first seen in Star Trek The Motion Picture.

 

[Kor]

Actually the ridged Klingon foreheads were first seen in Star Trek The Motion Picture.

I think that was mentioned earlier in the thread, unless I'm getting mixed up with a different thread... There are so, so many.

Kor

 

[dupersuper]

It's an issue at eight kilometers per second, the approximate speed of a satellite in low orbit of Earth. Without relativistic corrections the GPS would be useless or if you will very imprecise.
Who would know? The GPS vindicated Albert Einstein.

Yeah, but I mean to an "I missed my kids childhood!" degree.

• century changed everything – including the past. Meaning TVH, FC, “Past Tense”, “Future’s End”, ENT & “The Cage” don’t happen the way they originally did, if they happen at all. We can likely add Disco to the list too. The events that lead to the development and construction of the original Constitution class have changed, meaning they would choose a bigger design. I’d imagine more changes would be in store for Starfleet and the Federation in general after Vulcan was destroyed.

ENT should be in both...

 

[Swedish Borg]

...
ENT should be in both...

That's debatable. Remember that Daniels from the 30th century intervened several times in Archer's trek, if Daniels is changed then Archer will be changed as well. Hell, maybe in the new timeline the temporal cold war never happened, the Suliban were never genetically modified and the Xindi never killed seven million people. Just imagine how many things could have been changed by that!!!

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's a very complicated question as to whether events pre-2233.04 were affected by Nero's incursion. We've seen interference by relics from deleted timelines in Trek before so it's very possible if Kelvin Kirk went back to 1986, he'd meet TOS Kirk hunting for whales. Data's head should still be under San Francisco in the Kelvin timeline with all his memories up until TOS season 6. ST'09/ID Co-writers Alex Kurtzman and Bob Orci are on record saying everything pre-2233 is unchanged.

"That being said..."

Modern Trek reimagines so much, it's hard to draw the line between what is meant to be the same (Picard, Scotty, Riker visiting classic Enterprises on the holodeck, the DS9 gang visiting "Trials and Tribble-ations") and what is meant to be "the same" (Discovery Klingons, Pike's Enterprise etc). It could be the San Francisco of TMP, Discovery, ST'09/ID, Berman-Trek and Picard are all meant to represent the same place looking in-universe exactly the same just like in-universe Chris Pine's Kirk looks the same as William Shatner's.

Add to that, Star Trek Beyond co-writer Simon Pegg saying the timelines are seperate all the way to the big bang, in an attempt to appease fans who see Sulu's sexuality as a continuity error (yeah right that's why they don't like it)

 

[Swedish Borg]

It's a very complicated question as to whether events pre-2233.04 were affected by Nero's incursion. We've seen interference by relics from deleted timelines in Trek before so it's very possible if Kelvin Kirk went back to 1986, he'd meet TOS Kirk hunting for whales. Data's head should still be under San Francisco in the Kelvin timeline with all his memories up until TOS season 6. ST'09/ID Co-writers Alex Kurtzman and Bob Orci are on record saying everything pre-2233 is unchanged.

"That being said..."

Modern Trek reimagines so much, it's hard to draw the line between what is meant to be the same (Picard, Scotty, Riker visiting classic Enterprises on the holodeck, the DS9 gang visiting "Trials and Tribble-ations") and what is meant to be "the same" (Discovery Klingons, Pike's Enterprise etc). It could be the San Francisco of TMP, Discovery, ST'09/ID, Berman-Trek and Picard are all meant to represent the same place looking in-universe exactly the same just like in-universe Chris Pine's Kirk looks the same as William Shatner's.

Add to that, Star Trek Beyond co-writer Simon Pegg saying the timelines are seperate all the way to the big bang, in an attempt to appease fans who see Sulu's sexuality as a continuity error (yeah right that's why they don't like it)

Do we know when our sexuality is determined? Is it genetic, Is it prenatal, is it early childhood...? So for all we know Sulu's sexuality could have been oriented differently in each timeline.

 

[Nyotarules]

So the question of this thread is (a) "What was the worst thing established in canon?", or (b) "What was the worst thing established in canon that has no effect or interaction with anything else established in canon?"

I assumed it was (a). And a lot of the previous posts seem to follow that understanding (e.g., introduction of ridged Klingon heads)... so that appears to be the canon of this thread, is it not?

You don't need to justify your answer. Your Trek card won't be revoked

 

[Nyotarules]

Do we know when our sexuality is determined? Is it genetic, Is it prenatal, is it early childhood...? So for all we know Sulu's sexuality could have been oriented differently in each timeline.

Sulu could like all Trek genders

 

[J. Random Redshirt]

You don't need to justify your answer. Your Trek card won't be revoked

That's cool. It's all good!

Actually, the purpose of my post wasn't to justify... it was to ever-so-gently nudge someone into joining the "it's all good" party (using my own peculiar logic... after all, I'm only 3/8 Vulcan!).

Cheers!

 

[Swedish Borg]

Sulu could like all Trek genders

Well, I guess so... if I knew what you're talking about.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well, I guess so... if I knew what you're talking about.

Sulu's pansexual. Does that clarify the matter any?

 

[Swedish Borg]

Sulu's pansexual. Does that clarify the matter any?

Says who?

 

[The Wormhole]

Says us for purposes of this discussion.

 

[Orphalesion]

It's true, there is no evidence that Prime-Sulu is not attracted to both men and women (and everything else there is). We didn't know that Seven was interested in women either until Picard, after all.

 

[Henoch]

I am guessing I won't be, or I'll be very old.

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