Now don't go getting technical on me. This is NOT the place to be muddying the waters with facts! (read: oops *grin*)While I completely appreciate your point, the quote of me was in reference to Ms. Ferrell's role on the sitcom "Becker" (which she ALSO left before it ended) and not about her time on DS9.
What's the deal with Michelle Forbes & Teri Garr?
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If Ms Garr does think of Ass:E as a failed pilot, wouldn't she welcome IDW finaly picking up the series, at least enough to not quibble about likenesses?
Fat old slobbering Roddenberry making a pass while micro-managing the length of her mini-skirt I can certainly see.
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This story never quite sat right with me. When an actor signs on for a show, they sign away an image-release rights form as part of their crew deal memo that allows the show to use their image. Its why shows can do flashbacks and not have to go and get permission from every last effing guest star who appeared in every clip of every show they're flashing back to.
At the worst, DS9 replayed some audio of Farrell as Dax from an earlier episode. Technically she should have been paid a residual for that, and perhaps she wasn't, hence the bad blood. I could be wrong, but as I said the story as is just doesn't seem right to me.
As for Forbes, I've always heard / read that she didn't want to commit to a series, she wanted to do movies. But TPTB loved her as Ro and brought her back. She wasn't created specifically for DS9 though. They did that episode and then later mined it for material (as well as The Best of Both Worlds) to set up DS9.
I've never, ever heard or read anything to indicate that she was written off the show during season six because she refused to do TNG or DS9 as a regular. I have heard though that it took some doing to get her to come back for "Preemptive Strike", but again, never that she was 'let go' (if you can 'let go' of a recurring actor).
Finally, there's a marked difference, at least in terms of street-cred and esteem between shows like TNG/DS9 and Homicide. Its very possible she just decided she didn't want to do scifi schlock anymore and wanted to be taken seriously as an actress at the time.
Not quite. It was Terry Farrell's agents who complained about unauthorised use of Jadzia clips in a previous Season Seven episode - as was their right - and because that issue was still pending in arbitration, she couldn't legally be approached for permission for more clips in the finale. However, she was invited to the DS9 Season Seven wrap party - and attended cheerfully - and was on good terms with the writers.
It was the salaries department, who treated her badly, that led to her departure at the end of Season Six. She was the cast's representative at negotiation time, pressuring the studio for big raises for all. The studio went behind her back and made separate deals with each actor (bigger trailers, etc), then offered Farrell an amount that, with inflation, was essentially less than she got in Season Six.
As for Teri Garr: she has had a few very weird experiences with ST fans at conventions, and this has probably led to her disillusionment. As she says, she assumed she was filming a pilot - and most pilots don't succeed - and she didn't realise she'd get stalked by weird ST fans forever. (She now has MS and has retired from acting, IIRC.)
As for Michelle Forbes: she enjoyed playing Ro on TNG every few months and didn't want to be playing a role equal to Nana Visitor's in DS9 for a contract of five years, which would curb her attempts to break into movies. Can't blame her for making ambitious, risky, career-oriented choices in life. If it had worked out, she'd have been a very rich and creatively-satisfied woman.
Actually, despite the signing of contracts, actors do need to be told in advance about clips being used. It's so the agents can keep anticipated royalty payments information accurate, and so studios can be accountable.
Farrell probably couldn't have refused for her image to be used (in "Penumbra", was it?), but she did need to be informed in advance. That didn't happen. The first she and her agent knew about the flashback was when they saw the episode on TV.
Speaking of stalking Terri Garr, here's my 2-degrees of separation from her. She lived down the street from me when I was a baby! Here's a picture of her sitting on the front steps in 1957 with my cousins Don (middle back row) and Carol-Anne (middle front). She and Carol were buds. Terri is on the left. Not sure who the other two kids are.
Michelle Forbes was recently on an episode of LOST and looked fine as ever 
That's interesting, I didn't know about the arbitration. That makes sense.
The story of her departure, as I have always heard it, is reversed somewhat from yours. While I heard she was the one spearheading negotiations and pushing for raises, she was let go because the studio considered her the most expendable cast member, and used her termination as leverage to get the other actors to play ball, e.g. "Don't end up like Farrell."
Why did the studio can her, anyway? Just to spite her for pushing for raises?
What's the deal with fans asking what is the deal with Michelle Forbes & Teri Garr.
I'm sorry, but not everybody equates working on Trek with a calling to the priesthood. To some people it's just a job. They show up, read their lines, and pick up their check. Isn't it enough that they performed a memorable character? Do they also have to unconditionally love their experience to placate the fans. If Trek fans feel slighted by these actors' comments and actions away from Trek, then it's they that have a problem and not the actors.
I'm sorry, but not everybody equates working on Trek with a calling to the priesthood. To some people it's just a job. They show up, read their lines, and pick up their check. Isn't it enough that they performed a memorable character? Do they also have to unconditionally love their experience to placate the fans. If Trek fans feel slighted by these actors' comments and actions away from Trek, then it's they that have a problem and not the actors.
If an actor gives off the vibe that they didn't enjoy being on the show, then it calls into question whether they actually gave it their 'all' when they were acting. It's only logical: you do better at things you enjoy doing. If you *don't* enjoy it, you'll do worse.
Well I thought Terry tried hold out for more money, since she thought they would pay up for the last 7th season. They called her bluff, and she left.
As for Michelle Forbes, I didn't know they had plans for her on Ds9. That would make sense, since she was bajorian and heck, she's in the Ds9 novels.
Oh, sure, try to inject logic and reason into a Trek BBS discussion!
Not necessarily. It may also mean they just didn't enjoy the experience, due to, say, not getting along with a director or fellow actor. Or maybe they're not enjoying the experience of having endless obsessive fans after them all the time. For Garr, it was one week's work 40 years ago at the beginning of a long career. Maybe she'd rather be remembered for Young Frankenstein, Close Encounters, or any of dozens of other jobs she enjoyed more than a goofy little guest shot where she had only a few lines talking to a glowy cube.
If they didn't enjoy it and thus didn't give their all, it doesn't mean it was their fault. And it doesn't mean we should deride them for it decades later.
acting is play pretend.
about making others believe the what is not real.
so a lot of good actors are able to rise above material they dont respect at all.
it is part of the craft.
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I was not aware you were a veteran of the stage.
Her miscalculation was that people started to realise the story possibilities of switching Dax hosts. Terry Farrell's agent wasn't expecting the execs imagining Worf's reaction to his wife in a male host. Suddenly having Farrell return wasn't as important to the series.
Yep, although it was realised quite early that a non-Starfleet Bajoran wouold be in more conflict with Sisko more often.
Sometimes. Contracts are not in-perpetuity, and ancillary materials utilizing someone's likeness to sell something only tangentally related decades later could be construed as unfair exploitation of someone's image. Just because you own the rights to a bad western made by John Wayne in his youth doesn't mean you can use Wayne's likeness in spin-offs and sequels after the fact.
Terri hated the star trek role because she's a feminists in real life, and the character was the exact opposite. And she was bitter towards Roddenberry because he wanted her skirt to be 2 inches shorter than it already was, which she refused.
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