What's Kirk got to do with Romulus? (Spoilers maybe)

[cooleddie74]

So basically the Kelvin/Narada scene being rammed down our throats is a needless "fly on the wind shield" moment for the sheer hell of "Kewl" CGI battles. Nice...

Yes...you sure figured it all out.

Anyway, we are just speculating here.
None of this is 100% certain or in context with everything that really happens in the movie before,during or after the Kelvin/Narada face-off.

From what I've come to discern in recent months, the Kelvin and Captain Robau/George Kirk are simply in the wrong place at the wrong time when Nero and the Narada emerge from the time rift into the year 2233. They end up as target practice...the first Federation vessel Nero lays his eyes on after getting to the 23rd century.

 

[Ovation]

So basically the Kelvin/Narada scene being rammed down our throats is a needless "fly on the wind shield" moment for the sheer hell of "Kewl" CGI battles. Nice...

No. Of course, it is clear that no possible explanation would cause you to question your pre-conceived negative assumptions.

 

[The Academic]

So basically the Kelvin/Narada scene being rammed down our throats is a needless "fly on the wind shield" moment for the sheer hell of "Kewl" CGI battles. Nice...

I simply cannot understand how a high-speed, fire-everything, balls-against-the-wall (pardon my French) space battle can rub some people the wrong way, particularly when it is apparently part of a well-thought-out storyline (of course, the phrase 'well-thought-out storyline' will drive you to the barricades again, but so be it)...

When was the last time Star Trek was anything close to 'kewl' (as you prefer to put it)? Just be happy that for once (and, realistically, for a limited time) you are going to be a member of the in-crowd - you can even proudly proclaim that you knew Star Trek BEFORE it was cool!

 

[Corran Horn]

^Then explain why he expends so much time and energy destroying the Kelvin despite it being probably the weakest and smallest ship it comes up against during the movie?

Who said he spends "so much time and energy" or that the Kelvin is "probably the weakest and smallest ship" ?

In any case, as Ovation says a few posts above :

The simplest extrapolation (particularly if the time travel is accidental) would be that Nero emerges somewhere in Federation space and either the Kelvin is sent to investigate or is already on the scene. To Nero, the Kelvin is easily identifiable as a Federation ship and, as such (given his actions in the comic series), he attacks it. He doesn't need to know anything about who is aboard the Kelvin to be motivated to destroy it.

Given how Countdown ends (I have the TPB) this is likely.

 

[urbandk]

When was the last time Star Trek was anything close to 'kewl' (as you prefer to put it)? Just be happy that for once (and, realistically, for a limited time) you are going to be a member of the in-crowd - you can even proudly proclaim that you knew Star Trek BEFORE it was cool!

Yeah, it can be like that LCD Soundsystem song, "Losing My Edge." We'll be hanging around, remembering how We Were There. We Were There when Picard became Locutus of Borg. We Were There when Kirk fought the Gorn (actually, I wasn't born).

 

[M'Sharak]

So basically the Kelvin/Narada scene being rammed down our throats is a needless "fly on the wind shield" moment for the sheer hell of "Kewl" CGI battles. Nice...

Well, there's always the Pike line about George Kirk being captain of a starship for twelve minute and saving 800 lives. Even if your "fly on the windshield" analogy is accurate, you must admit that some of the really big flies have a way of obscuring a driver's vision of everything else, if only temporarily.

Maybe being that fly is what buys time for those 800 people to escape destruction? Wasn't Matt Decker's "fly it down the planet-killer's throat" really just another version of the same idea, when you get down to it, or do you believe that that was no more than another excuse for a "kewl"* effects shot, too? Decker bought time for our heroes by his sacrifice, and not only that, but he was also the catalyst for finding a solution to the problem of defeating an up-to-then undefeatable enemy.




* I'm really beginning to develop a strong dislike for the use of "kewl" in quotation marks like that.

 

[pookha]

considering how nero seems to have personal grudge against kirk i just dont know about the kelvin being coincidence.

it is possible he attacks something like a station (the 800 people) because he knows she is in the area and will come to its defense.

 

[StarTrek1701]

So basically the Kelvin/Narada scene being rammed down our throats is a needless "fly on the wind shield" moment for the sheer hell of "Kewl" CGI battles. Nice...

Jesus Christ man! Some people have no sense of enjoyment whatsoever.

 

[Aragorn]

Some people need their pain! And misery does enjoy company, so if you're miserable, go online and make others miserable too!

 

[Borgminister]

* I'm really beginning to develop a strong dislike for the use of "kewl" in quotation marks like that.

You didn't capitalize the "K" in "kewl": "Kewl".

 

[BillJ]

A possibility:

Reunification seems to be a long standing goal for the Romulans (according to Enterprise). Had the prototype ship in Balance of Terror been successful, all out war may have followed and assuming the Romulans made full use of that weapon, the Federation would have had their asses handed to them (or at least managed to annex Vulcan). Fast forward to 24th Century, a supernova threatens to destroy Romulus and the Vulcans are the only ones with the tech to stop it - and they are now part of the Romulan Empire. Problem solved.

Of course, the Romulans were stopped. By one ship. Captained by James Kirk.

I see method in his madness...

There's no guarantee that if the Romulans win that war that the Vulcans still develop the same technology.

 

[Eddie Roth]

I have a feeling that our dear old Spock will explain to young Kirk (and thereby us) what exactly the original Kirk's significance was to Romulus. Which may then prompt him to change whatever he did, creating a new timeline in which it remains to be seen if Romulus gets destroyed.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

So basically the Kelvin/Narada scene being rammed down our throats is a needless "fly on the wind shield" moment for the sheer hell of "Kewl" CGI battles. Nice...

Yeah, there's that...

...and the insignificant parts of the Kelvin scene regarding Kirk's father, Kirk's mother, and Kirk's birth -- which will be mentioned agin by Pike 20+ years later to convince an aimless Jim Kirk that there are more important things in life than picking fights in bars, which helps Kirk realize that he should enroll in the Academy and enlist in Starfleet...Then later realize that events occurring in his present are similar to the events surrounding the death of his father on the Kelvin, and must do something about it...

Besides that, I don't know why the Kelvin scene even exists.

 

[The Academic]

So basically the Kelvin/Narada scene being rammed down our throats is a needless "fly on the wind shield" moment for the sheer hell of "Kewl" CGI battles. Nice...

Yeah, there's that...

...and the insignificant part's of the Kelvin scene regarding Kirk's father, Kirk's mother, and Kirk's birth -- which will be mentioned again by Pike 20+ years later to convince an aimless Jim Kirk that there are more important things in life than picking fights in bars, which helps Kirk realize that he should enroll in the Academy and enlist in Starfleet... Then later realize that events occurring in his present are similar to the events surrounding the death of his father on the Kelvin and must do something about it...

Besides that, I don't know why the Kelvin scene even exists.

Slam-dunk!!!

 

[M'Sharak]

* I'm really beginning to develop a strong dislike for the use of "kewl" in quotation marks like that.

You didn't capitalize the "K" in "kewl": "Kewl".

Oh, heck. I'll turn in my Geek Card, forsooth and forthwith.

 

[HunkyKirk&Spock]

I'm surprised more dots haven't been connected...

Spoiler: Here's my take with Ovation being spot on

in the trailer that IS Vulcan going through the implosion: that can be figured out from the shot of the person emerging onto that patio with the laser burrowing on the horizon. That same horizon is the one in the Winona Ryder promotional shot from last year.

Nero goes back in time to go after Vulcan/Spock for reasons explained in the Countdown series. He's clearly more after the Vulcans. If he emerges from his time travel and destroys the Kelvin (which makes sense) that how Kirk gets involved along with Spock. They're both set on revenge due to Nero's actions. Actually it'll be 2 Spocks and a Kirk.

That's my take anyways and I'm standing by it.

BTW - this film will be HUGE.

 

[cooleddie74]

So basically the Kelvin/Narada scene being rammed down our throats is a needless "fly on the wind shield" moment for the sheer hell of "Kewl" CGI battles. Nice...

Yeah, there's that...

...and the insignificant part's of the Kelvin scene regarding Kirk's father, Kirk's mother, and Kirk's birth -- which will be mentioned again by Pike 20+ years later to convince an aimless Jim Kirk that there are more important things in life than picking fights in bars, which helps Kirk realize that he should enroll in the Academy and enlist in Starfleet... Then later realize that events occurring in his present are similar to the events surrounding the death of his father on the Kelvin and must do something about it...

Besides that, I don't know why the Kelvin scene even exists.

Slam-dunk!!!

Yep. I more or less agree with these sentiments.

That said, if nothing else the Kelvin scenes introduce us to badass Robau and his bare scalp of kewl.

 

[The Academic]

That said, if nothing else the Kelvin scenes introduce us to badass Robau and his bare scalp of kewl.

Never underestimate the power of the chrome dome...

 

[cooleddie74]

That said, if nothing else the Kelvin scenes introduce us to badass Robau and his bare scalp of kewl.

Never underestimate the power of the chrome dome...

I get the feeling that IF there's a collector's doll or action figure of Robau it might sell even better than some of the Enterprise crew's. Even little kids would want a burly, bald badass in their toy chest. He kinda looks like a WWE wrestler.

 

[pookha]

A possibility:

Reunification seems to be a long standing goal for the Romulans (according to Enterprise). Had the prototype ship in Balance of Terror been successful, all out war may have followed and assuming the Romulans made full use of that weapon, the Federation would have had their asses handed to them (or at least managed to annex Vulcan). Fast forward to 24th Century, a supernova threatens to destroy Romulus and the Vulcans are the only ones with the tech to stop it - and they are now part of the Romulan Empire. Problem solved.

Of course, the Romulans were stopped. By one ship. Captained by James Kirk.

I see method in his madness...

There's no guarantee that if the Romulans win that war that the Vulcans still develop the same technology.

this is true but then again if nero thinks things could have been different, that the vulcans would have still developed the tech.