What's in YOUR 'head canon'?

[MAGolding]

A personal LOTR head canon-Tolkien apparently or at least according to his son abandoned Dagor Dagorath-to me it's still canon-it's satisfying that Turin would slay Morgoth and everyone comes back for the last battle with at the end Feanor repenting and the world being remade.

I don't like the Dagor Dagorath idea at all.

Turin is no good guy despite being a great hero who fought against the bad guys. Turin has committed too many crimes to be considered good enough to lead the Forces of Good against the Forces of Evil. I remember reading somewhere that Turin and Nienor would be cleansed of their sin of incest for the Dagor Dagorath and I was shocked by that primitive idea. Ethically, Turin and Nienor didn't commit the sin of incest because they didn't know they were siblings.

Nienor did commit the sins and crimes of suicide - and murder when she couldn't wait for her child to be born before killing herself. She acted as if her unborn baby was not already a person with rights, or as if that child was somehow accursed because of the accidental incest of the parents and the child must be executed for an accident committed by other people.

Turin did commit the sins and crimes of suicide - and murder when he killed Brandir because of Brandir's somewhat insulting comments. In the end, even Turin's sword, not noted for having high ethical standards, said it would gladly kill Turin because of the slayings of Beleg and Brandir.

I think the idea of Turin coming back and leading the Forces of Good in the Dagor Dagorath became obsolete once Tolkien created nobler human heroes, like Elendil and Aragorn, for example.

And what about the idea that Morgoth would be killed permanently?

Thee is a line in the English language Catholic mass "speak but the word, and my soul shall be healed".

Eru is supposed to be all powerful. Which means that Eru can merely "think but the thought of command, and Morgoth's soul shall be healed". So if a god is all powerful, what does it say for that god's ethics if the god prefers for an evil person to die permanently, instead of curing that person's evil with a single thought?

If Eru is all powerful and all knowing, the evil in the world proves that Eru is not all good.

Eru created a flawed world with flawed people in it who could turn evil, because Eru is like a writer who wants to write an interesting and exciting story with suspenseful conflict instead of a happy story like "once upon a time, the world was created, and everyone lived happily ever after". Write it with the lives of living beings. So basically Eru is evil enough to create a world full of evil just for fun.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The unnamed Institute which cared for Sarina Douglas and other genetically altered people, is also the "special care center on Dalvos Prime" where feral Molly O'Brien would have been sent had she not been returned younger (genetically altered people not the only patients. Although if it was the same, Bashir would have referred to "The Institute" then, wouldn't he?)

 

[The Old Mixer]

I don't like the Dagor Dagorath idea at all.

Turin is no good guy despite being a great hero who fought against the bad guys. Turin has committed too many crimes to be considered good enough to lead the Forces of Good against the Forces of Evil. I remember reading somewhere that Turin and Nienor would be cleansed of their sin of incest for the Dagor Dagorath and I was shocked by that primitive idea. Ethically, Turin and Nienor didn't commit the sin of incest because they didn't know they were siblings.

Nienor did commit the sins and crimes of suicide - and murder when she couldn't wait for her child to be born before killing herself. She acted as if her unborn baby was not already a person with rights, or as if that child was somehow accursed because of the accidental incest of the parents and the child must be executed for an accident committed by other people.

Turin did commit the sins and crimes of suicide - and murder when he killed Brandir because of Brandir's somewhat insulting comments. In the end, even Turin's sword, not noted for having high ethical standards, said it would gladly kill Turin because of the slayings of Beleg and Brandir.

I think the idea of Turin coming back and leading the Forces of Good in the Dagor Dagorath became obsolete once Tolkien created nobler human heroes, like Elendil and Aragorn, for example.

And what about the idea that Morgoth would be killed permanently?

Thee is a line in the English language Catholic mass "speak but the word, and my soul shall be healed".

Eru is supposed to be all powerful. Which means that Eru can merely "think but the thought of command, and Morgoth's soul shall be healed". So if a god is all powerful, what does it say for that god's ethics if the god prefers for an evil person to die permanently, instead of curing that person's evil with a single thought?

If Eru is all powerful and all knowing, the evil in the world proves that Eru is not all good.

Eru created a flawed world with flawed people in it who could turn evil, because Eru is like a writer who wants to write an interesting and exciting story with suspenseful conflict instead of a happy story like "once upon a time, the world was created, and everyone lived happily ever after". Write it with the lives of living beings. So basically Eru is evil enough to create a world full of evil just for fun.

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[Yistaan]

My headcanon is what's onscreen, then the PC games as they have amazing production values (Trek actors involved, DC Fontana writing for Legacy, etc.)

I don't even consider the Romulan War novels as my headcanon because those claim Mayweather wasn't serving about the NX-01 during the Romulan War, when Star Trek Legacy PC game outright states Mayweather was serving aboard the Enterprise NX-01 during 2159. I'm a huge PC game fan, so when game and novel conflict, I choose game as the winner.

Countdown to Darkness is probably canon for the Mudd incident in the Kelvinverse. I only consider issues 1 and 2 of Countdown to be canon (up to the point where Romulus is destroyed). Issues 3 and 4 show Spock flying around in the Jellyfish after Romulus is destroyed, whereas the movie itself clearly shows Spock in the Jellyfish viewing Romulus' destruction in real time.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I must ask. What did "R" stand for?

It was a running joke between the two where they said "My middle name is ______" to each other and it was always something different that started with an "R." It started with "My middle name is racquetball," IIRC.

 

[MAGolding]

It was a running joke between the two where they said "My middle name is ______" to each other and it was always something different that started with an "R." It started with "My middle name is racquetball," IIRC.

And as I keep saying it is quite common for people to have multiple middle names and thus middle initials. So Kirk selected "Jame R. Kirk" as the official form of his name in his early starfleet career but changed it to "James T. Kirk" after his best friend tried to kill him because using the old form would remind Kirk of his tombstone too much.

 

[Tenacity]

I must ask. What did "R" stand for?

Rambunctious.

in Head Canon: the never seen Starfleet commodes make the TOS photon torpedo sound when you flush.

Every time someone flushes, does the ship experience that little lurch?

Other personal head canon.

When we first see Kirk in WNMHGB his rank is that of Commander. Kirk is promoted to the rank of Captain after the events of the pilot, in part for the difficulty of the mission and bringing the Enterprise home.

I like Lord Garth's idea that Alexander was born prior to Emissary and that K'Ehleyr initially kept the knowledge of the child from Worf. This is now apart of my head canon, although I think Alexander age at the time of Reunion should be more like four years. K'Ehleyr's affair with Worf happen while he was a Lieutenant (or a Lieutenant JG) so it could not have been too far back in time because Worf would have been a ensign.

Picard gave Wesley special attention (more so than any other child on the ship) because while Wesley wasn't Picard son, he very easily could have been, given the timing of Beverly's pregnancy and the fact that Picard and Beverly were having an affair at the time.

Given the speed of Klingon physical development, the Klingons that Kirk encountered and fought were probably in their mid to late teens. Kor and Kang were in their early or mid twenties.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So if a god is all powerful, what does it say for that god's ethics if the god prefers for an evil person to die permanently, instead of curing that person's evil with a single thought?

People have free will.

 

[Yistaan]

People have free will.

This "free will" is heavily influenced by environment, particularly on children who grew up in an "evil" environment (certain countries or groups around the world) and never knew that there was an alternative. Not going to name names, but we all know about these awful groups and countries in the news.

Love Tolkien's work, but not a big fan of the Roman Catholicism (no offense to anyone, I was raised Catholic myself before leaving after seeing what I felt were many flaws) that LOTR is based on. Especially now after reading books like "James the Brother of Jesus" by Professor Robert Eisenman, I do wonder if the gospels were Roman fabrications (with Paul's help) overwritten on a militant who was killed to change the militant enemies Rome was fighting in Judea into a new peaceful religion.

No offense to anyone, it's just an idea I've been reading about that seems to make sense, especially as Tacitus and other writers never actually reference someone who resurrected and very early martyrs on closer inspection may have been martyrs fighting for a messiah to overthrow Rome, not martyrs that actually believed in a resurrection.

 

[Tenacity]

Right along side the evil child is another child who grew up in the same environment and is a good person. So maybe it isn't the environment.

 

[Yistaan]

Right along side the evil child is another child who grew up in the same environment and is a good person. So maybe it isn't the environment.

Kids are being trained from childhood to be killers in terror camps. If they die "evil", how can one say its not environment?

Obviously evil people in good environments is because of them not environment , that is obvious.

Seven of nine is a good example. Before janeway saved her, she was evil because it was all she knew. Voyager brought out the good in her.

 

[The Old Mixer]

People have free will.

This "free will" is heavily influenced by environment, particularly on children who grew up in an "evil" environment (certain countries or groups around the world) and never knew that there was an alternative. Not going to name names, but we all know about these awful groups and countries in the news.

Love Tolkien's work, but not a big fan of the Roman Catholicism (no offense to anyone, I was raised Catholic myself before leaving after seeing what I felt were many flaws) that LOTR is based on. Especially now after reading books like "James the Brother of Jesus" by Professor Robert Eisenman, I do wonder if the gospels were Roman fabrications (with Paul's help) overwritten on a militant who was killed to change the militant enemies Rome was fighting in Judea into a new peaceful religion.

No offense to anyone, it's just an idea I've been reading about that seems to make sense, especially as Tacitus and other writers never actually reference someone who resurrected and very early martyrs on closer inspection may have been martyrs fighting for a messiah to overthrow Rome, not martyrs that actually believed in a resurrection.

Right along side the evil child is another child who grew up in the same environment and is a good person. So maybe it isn't the environment.

Kids are being trained from childhood to be killers in terror camps. If they die "evil", how can one say its not environment?

Obviously evil people in good environments is because of them not environment , that is obvious.

Seven of nine is a good example. Before janeway saved her, she was evil because it was all she knew. Voyager brought out the good in her.

This is not the place to discuss Tolkien, God, Catholicism, Jesus, or terrorism. (Did I miss anything?) Most of those subjects belong in TNZ or Miscellaneous.

 

[Yistaan]

This is not the place to discuss Tolkien, God, Catholicism, Jesus, or terrorism. (Did I miss anything?) Most of those subjects belong in TNZ or Miscellaneous.

Sorry, it won't happen again.

 

[Shawnster]

Seven of nine is a good example. Before janeway saved her, she was evil because it was all she knew. Voyager brought out the good in her.

I wouldn't say that at all.

Initially conceived, the Borg were more a force of nature and not something that could be labeled "evil". Drones especially were not evil. They were mindless automotons that really were not in control of their actions. They were the exact opposite of free will.

Seven want evil. She was a mindless drone.

 

[Tenacity]

Borg were more a force of nature

I never bought into that description.

They were mindless automotons

Not mindless, Picard was fully awake and aware of what he was being made to do. He had no control.

Drones especially were not evil.

Servants of evil, there's a person "inside" that drone, they're a prisoner and a slave.

 

[Tomalak]

Picard gave Wesley special attention (more so than any other child on the ship) because while Wesley wasn't Picard son, he very easily could have been, given the timing of Beverly's pregnancy and the fact that Picard and Beverly were having an affair at the time.

Yeah, if you assume Picard and Beverley had an affair and Wesley might actually be Picard's son, season one is a lot more interesting, and certain scenes make a lot more sense too.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I still don't buy it. Picard is not a homewrecker, he has too much respect for Jack and Beverly to interfere in their marriage like that.

Even if Picard was secretly in love with Beverly the whole time (as "Attached" pretty much states), he is not going to even think about doing anything about it until Jack has long since passed.

As for Wesley, Picard definitely sees something of himself in him. Maybe Picard regrets not having a son and so decides to mentor Wesley. But there's no way they are actually father and son. Picard simply doesn't do that.

And another thing - I can only assume that (unlike today) birth control in the 24th century is absolutely 100% effective. So even if Picard and Beverly had been having an affair, unplanned/accidental pregnancy simply would not occur.

 

[Yistaan]

^ I still don't buy it. Picard is not a homewrecker, he has too much respect for Jack and Beverly to interfere in their marriage like that.

Even if Picard was secretly in love with Beverly the whole time (as "Attached" pretty much states), he is not going to even think about doing anything about it until Jack has long since passed.

As for Wesley, Picard definitely sees something of himself in him. Maybe Picard regrets not having a son and so decides to mentor Wesley. But there's no way they are actually father and son. Picard simply doesn't do that.

And another thing - I can only assume that (unlike today) birth control in the 24th century is absolutely 100% effective. So even if Picard and Beverly had been having an affair, unplanned/accidental pregnancy simply would not occur.

Worfs son Alexander didn't seem planned, nor was david Marcus, or dukats kids

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Worfs son Alexander didn't seem planned, nor was david Marcus, or dukats kids

Dukat was married. Why wouldn't he and his wife have kids?

Oh, you mean Ziyal. Okay, then. Perhaps her mother wanted kids (I doubt Dukat wanted any more, especially since this was a fling), so she didn't take her birth control meds?

This could also apply in the other cases:
- At this point in Worf's life, he probably didn't want kids. What if K'Ehleyr did?
- As for David: We don't know enough about Kirk's relationship with Carol. It ended, of course. But we don't know if they ever planned to marry, or if Kirk wanted kids as much as Carol did. Maybe, maybe not.

Remember the bit in DS9's later episodes where Kassidy finds out she's pregnant? She teases Sisko about "forgetting" to take his birth control meds. Therefore it would seem that BOTH people have to take the meds for it to work, and if one doesn't, then pregnancy could result. This happened with Kassidy and Sisko for sure; it could well have applied to K'Ehleyr/Worf and Kirk/Carol as well.

 

[Yistaan]

Remember the bit in DS9's later episodes where Kassidy finds out she's pregnant? She teases Sisko about "forgetting" to take his birth control meds. Therefore it would seem that BOTH people have to take the meds for it to work, and if one doesn't, then pregnancy could result. This happened with Kassidy and Sisko for sure; it could well have applied to K'Ehleyr/Worf and Kirk/Carol as well.

I'm just not sure how both people having to take meds for birth control to work makes sense with human biology as we know it (assuming futuristic male BC reduces Sisko's gamete count to zero) though. Although Sisko is half-Prophet...

Back on head canon, I think Zefram Cochrane's sighting of the Enterprise in First Contact inspired the NX-01 design. The whole design of starships in Star Trek, exemplified by the NCC-1701 etc is an ontological paradox.