So 55% of the Mars population are in support of a close, stable and centuries old relationship between the two. That I can buy.
What's in YOUR 'head canon'?
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I was also thinking of Edinburgh back in ye olden days. Second Capital of the Empire after London. Not that I am pro Empires etc, just purely from an historical perspective.
Ah ok, historically, yes that would be a little...tenser
Ah ok, historically, yes that would be a little...tenser
Indeed. I think it’s because it’s really quite difficult to sell the unification of the Thrones as an invasion, unless it’s a continuing Norman invasion, in which case, we all have to complain about the Scandinavians and the French, and consider England as a fellow victim state which fell and became the base for the Norman Aristocracy. Or we can blame the Romans for doing it first, then leaving us in a post apocalyptic state ripe for the various rampaging hordes from Northern Europe. But then, they can just point at the tensions in the Palantine hills, then the difficulties of rubbing borders with North African Empires and...
Look. Let’s just blame Gilgamesh, and all get on with things.
Random headcanon:
The current "gloopy" look of the Klingons on Star Trek: Discovery is a manifestation of the massive genetic shift much of the species is currently undergoing, as many bloodlines--and even individuals!--still infected by the human Augment virus begin shifting back (for mumblescifi reasons) towards the Klingon baseline form they'll reach some years down the road. This will happen in waves over time; there will still be infecteds during TOS, though they'll have "re-Klingonized" by the 2290s.
The baroque design of Discovery-era Klingon ships, art objects and costume is a revivalist fad harking back to ancient Klingon designs from millennia ago, part of the same cultural movement as T'Kuvma's radical fundamentalism. It'll pass in a few years.
As a reaction against this, during the 2260s Klingon society goes through an antitraditionalist revolution, becoming a dystopian surveillance state that's deeply cynical about the old "honor" traditions. Sneaky backstabbing becomes the new thing, for a while. But this passes too, within about two decades.
Also: whatever TOS-R showed, the Klingon ship the Enterprise destroys early in "Errand of Mercy" is a Bird of Prey.
In the 2280s, the USS Excelsior's live trial run of transwarp drive works just fine--and turns the crew, Captain Styles included, into lizards. So so much for transwarp, at least with live crews.
Nebulae like the Mutara Nebula are of a "hyperdense" class not known to modern-day science.
The current "gloopy" look of the Klingons on Star Trek: Discovery is a manifestation of the massive genetic shift much of the species is currently undergoing, as many bloodlines--and even individuals!--still infected by the human Augment virus begin shifting back (for mumblescifi reasons) towards the Klingon baseline form they'll reach some years down the road. This will happen in waves over time; there will still be infecteds during TOS, though they'll have "re-Klingonized" by the 2290s.
The baroque design of Discovery-era Klingon ships, art objects and costume is a revivalist fad harking back to ancient Klingon designs from millennia ago, part of the same cultural movement as T'Kuvma's radical fundamentalism. It'll pass in a few years.
As a reaction against this, during the 2260s Klingon society goes through an antitraditionalist revolution, becoming a dystopian surveillance state that's deeply cynical about the old "honor" traditions. Sneaky backstabbing becomes the new thing, for a while. But this passes too, within about two decades.
Also: whatever TOS-R showed, the Klingon ship the Enterprise destroys early in "Errand of Mercy" is a Bird of Prey.
In the 2280s, the USS Excelsior's live trial run of transwarp drive works just fine--and turns the crew, Captain Styles included, into lizards. So so much for transwarp, at least with live crews.
Nebulae like the Mutara Nebula are of a "hyperdense" class not known to modern-day science.
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In my headcannon its still early 80's and the (Paramount licensed) original Spaceflight Chronology, FASA's STTRPG & The Final Reflection etc are not increasingly contradicted, overidden and sidelined by TNG+ ST.
Oh look, I was just dreaming and I am now awake and back in nutrek hell reality ............!
Oh look, I was just dreaming and I am now awake and back in nutrek hell reality ............!
Most of that seems pretty good to me.
About the Excelsior, one might assume that each new and improved generation of starfleet warp engines might be called something like hyperwarp, ultrawarp, maxiwarp, transwarp, superwarp, etc., etc. when it is new. But when all the starfleet ships have the new warp people go back to calling it plain "warp". So probably the transwarp of the Excelsior and the Borg Transwarp conduits, and the transwap of Voyager are three different things. Probably the transwarp of the Excelsior worked fine and became the normal warp drive and is obsolete and old fashioned by the era of Voyager when "transwarp" means something totally different.
Interstellar space is very transparent. Very, very, very transparent. The typical nebula is much denser and more opaque than a typical section of interstellar space. But a typical nebula is still very, very, very, very, transparent. Nebulae look very dense and opaque in astronomical photographs that are exposed for minutes or hours to accumulate a lot of light. But if you look at a nebula through a telescope, it looks very pale, delicate, and transparent. You can see stars beyond it, even through many light years of nebula.
A photon of light will be blocked if it runs into a single molecule of gas or a single mote of dust. Looking toward the galactic center through 20,000 light years of dust clouds is enough to hid most of the galactic center from sight. A photon of light from the galactic center has about a 100 percent chance of being blocked while traveling through 20,000 light years of relatively dense dust clouds.
But many science fiction nebulae seem to block out as much light in a few miles as 20,000 light years of dust clouds do, and thus must be many times as dense and opaque as normal nebulae. Is that possible?
One could say that the Sun and the Earth and everything in the solar system are really dense and opaque nebulae. They formed by the condensation of the solar nebula into tiny bodies which merged to form larger and larger and larger bodies. So a nebula collapsing into a solar system has to eventually get very thick and opaque before becoming tiny bodies that eventually join into stars, planets, moons, asteroids, comets, etc., etc.
Astronomers have found many "stellar nurseries" sections of large, thin nebulae that are much denser and are collapsing into stars and solar systems. So maybe the super, hyper, ultra dense nebulae in Star Trek and other science fiction movies and TV shows could be stellar nurseries. And maybe a small dense section of a stellar nursery might be slung out of the parent nebula by gravitational interactions and wander through interstellar space, and be too tiny by astronomical standards to have much chance of being detected by contemporary astronomers, allowing for hyperdense nebulae to exist in otherwise clear regions of space.
Maybe.
For me three "universes" exist for the purpose of storytelling.
The "Prime Universe" which is all Star Trek on the TV shows and the first 10 movies. I don't dismiss a show because I don't like it or because it contradicts something in the other shows. (People had no problem with Klingon foreheads until DS9 when they made the joke. Now its gospel).
The "Kelvin Universe" where everything before the destruction of the Kelvin did happen. Its not too hard to reconcile some differences between the two, but I don't reconcile props. I understand the basics of production (how can you watch a show and not) and its absurd that someone would be restricted to make something look like its from a show in from the 60's.
The "Book Universe" is everything that happens in the books. The books have had free reign to do whatever they want to anything post Nemesis, so I am thankful that Star Trek Discovery takes place earlier, so it won't disrupt what is happening in the books (although it might step on the toes of the Enterprise books a little).
I also have a handful of thoughts that I will fight anyone on.
- Earth has no government and is directly administered by the Federation.
- The President is elected by the Council, not by the people. The President is also a weak executive. It matters more what the Federation Council says then the Federation President.
- There is no Federation Army or Starfleet Marines. Many chances existed for Star Trek to make direct references to this, or back up a deleted scene from Star Trek VI, but instead its always Starfleet fighting in ground battles. Its a unified service.
- The Federation (at least by the 24th century) has a moneyless economy. How does it work? I don't know. It just does.
The "Prime Universe" which is all Star Trek on the TV shows and the first 10 movies. I don't dismiss a show because I don't like it or because it contradicts something in the other shows. (People had no problem with Klingon foreheads until DS9 when they made the joke. Now its gospel).
The "Kelvin Universe" where everything before the destruction of the Kelvin did happen. Its not too hard to reconcile some differences between the two, but I don't reconcile props. I understand the basics of production (how can you watch a show and not) and its absurd that someone would be restricted to make something look like its from a show in from the 60's.
The "Book Universe" is everything that happens in the books. The books have had free reign to do whatever they want to anything post Nemesis, so I am thankful that Star Trek Discovery takes place earlier, so it won't disrupt what is happening in the books (although it might step on the toes of the Enterprise books a little).
I also have a handful of thoughts that I will fight anyone on.
- Earth has no government and is directly administered by the Federation.
- The President is elected by the Council, not by the people. The President is also a weak executive. It matters more what the Federation Council says then the Federation President.
- There is no Federation Army or Starfleet Marines. Many chances existed for Star Trek to make direct references to this, or back up a deleted scene from Star Trek VI, but instead its always Starfleet fighting in ground battles. Its a unified service.
- The Federation (at least by the 24th century) has a moneyless economy. How does it work? I don't know. It just does.
The uniforms in TMP were uniforms for non-commissioned Federation ships. And after TMP when the Enterprise refit was completed and a new multi year mission was commissioned the uniforms looked like this.
I might point out that Starfleet Marines are still Starfleet. The fact that they may have separate divisions for ground troops and starship crews (which is only logical, really) does not change the fact that they're still a unified service.
And the bit with Colonel West was not simply a deleted scene. It was restored back into the film, which makes it canon.
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It's amazing how a little color changes makes such a difference. Just that change in uniforms and the red door really ties this in with TOS. I found the same reaction to this: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/how...ore-with-the-cage.292523/page-6#post-12340451
Uniform change and color change alone would tie DISCO into the Cage era so much more in my opinion.
I like to think that one of Spock's great, great, great, etc. ancestors on his mother's side was Dick Grayson, who hung out with Bruce Wayne.
There was NO second five year mission for Kirk and crew after TMP. They went on to other jobs throughout Starfleet, although some did get recruited by Kirk to be part of his personal admiral's staff.
Carol Marcus was the "blonde lab technician" that Gary Mitchel set Kirk up with.
Sentient holograms NEVER became a thing, despite the Doctor being so. Just him. NO OTHERS.
There was NO second five year mission for Kirk and crew after TMP. They went on to other jobs throughout Starfleet, although some did get recruited by Kirk to be part of his personal admiral's staff.
Carol Marcus was the "blonde lab technician" that Gary Mitchel set Kirk up with.
Sentient holograms NEVER became a thing, despite the Doctor being so. Just him. NO OTHERS.
Janice Lester was the blonde lab tech (blonde at the time).
Mitchell was deliberately fukking with his instructor when he did it.
I still think the decades prior to the Original Series look pretty much like in that Prelude to Axanar video... because I really don't like the look of Discovery's starships or their overhaul of everything Klingon. The only thing which works for me, are the uniforms and retro tech like the phasers, communicators and tricorders. Even then, I'd have pushed the blue suits back as an evolution of Enterprise/Franklin overalls, and they'd be replaced by the 2230's in favour of the Kelvin tight fitting jersey and trouser combo.
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Lt Mira Romaine is from Mars, TOS Lights of Zetar
Nah, Lester was sane when they first met.
Not even Moriarty? He was certainly self-aware, as was Vic Fontaine. They were also intelligent.
If Data and the Doctor can be sentient, it's surely inevitable that more holograms will be capable of the same.
Not even Moriarty and Vic. They were just really, REALLY sophisticated holograms, but not sentient. Personally, I have a problem with humans simply creating new life in a lab like that. I'll accept Data and even the Doctor as the outliers, but I hate the idea of there being more and more. Perhaps in another couple of hundred years or so...
But remember, the thread is about our own head canon. For example, in my own head canon, Dr. Noonian Soong didn't create Data on his own. Unknown to the rest of the universe, Dr. Soong had help from extremely advanced aliens who were actually the ones who were responsible for the leap in technology that allowed for true sentience.
Not trying to start a debate here. I realize my views often contradict others'.
That's fair enough, so it's a metaphysical thing.
I think it's a shame Trek never really touched on the incredible implications of holograms who were shown to be self-aware. Data was seen as an exception because he was (almost) unique and no one else had been able to replicate him.
The apparent ease with which holograms could be created and deleted at the touch of a button was a huge issue which barely got any consideration. The Enterprise computer created a self-aware genius by accident!
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