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What's in YOUR 'head canon'?
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Ugh. Sorry, but I absolutely hate that idea. "Don't worry, your divorce wasn't your fault, it was all done by this evil space cloud, and you never found out about it!" I don't see how anyone in the audience could relate to that. I'd rather that the breakup of McCoy's marriage was based in real, human emotions. McCoy having an affair, his wife having an affair, or McCoy neglecting his family all fit the bill. An outside alien entity doesn't.
Also, the entity breaks up one marriage? Set your sights a little higher, space cloud. At least the thing in "Day of the Dove" was trying to start a human/Klingon war...
I was kidding. But really, in the Star Trek universe, it's a possibility, whereas it isn't in ours.
But yeah, you're right, people are still people. They haven't all taken perfect pills.
I can see it now the roar when a fictional character changes skin tone. What next a white actor playing Othello????
Patrick Stewart played Othello (I believe it was Stewart). The. rest of the cast was black.
I know...sarcasm don't translate well on screen
If I remember right, Othello is actually supposed to be black, isn't he?
Bond, OTOH, isn't tied to race. Only nationality. He's only supposed to be British. Beyond that, any race is fair game.
Characters have changed genders AND race (just look at both BSG's versions of Boomer) before. This is no different.
Each new Bond is a reboot anyway, so this is just one of the things they can...reboot.
Bond, OTOH, isn't tied to race. Only nationality. He's only supposed to be British. Beyond that, any race is fair game.
Characters have changed genders AND race (just look at both BSG's versions of Boomer) before. This is no different.
Each new Bond is a reboot anyway, so this is just one of the things they can...reboot.
Shore Leave has an entry where Kirk talks about McCoy being killed, even though he's brought back to life before Kirk returns to the ship.
Bond, OTOH, isn't tied to race. Only nationality. He's only supposed to be British. Beyond that, any race is fair game.
Well... Bond's literary backstory was that he was half Scottish and half Swiss. Most recently in the films, "Skyfall" showed the family estate, which was probably centuries old, and was located deep in Scotland. Realistically, that would mean that Bond's family was most likely an old line of (white) Scottish ethnicity.
So if Bond's race was rebooted, then much of his backstory would have to be rebooted along with it.
Kor
^ I hate to go all Christopher-ian as far as nitpicking goes, but doesn't Scotland have a black population?
And like I said, each new Bond is a reboot anyway. They may keep some details (such as M) from one Bond to the next, but they are all reboots. Craig's was no more or less a reboot than any of the others.
Also, black actors have auditioned for Bond before. I'm fairly sure Colin Salmon has, anyway. I wish he'd won it.
And like I said, each new Bond is a reboot anyway. They may keep some details (such as M) from one Bond to the next, but they are all reboots. Craig's was no more or less a reboot than any of the others.
Also, black actors have auditioned for Bond before. I'm fairly sure Colin Salmon has, anyway. I wish he'd won it.
I've heard talk that Denzel Washington really wants to play Bond. Not sure how I feel about an American playing Bond. Can Denzel do the accent?
Well yes, but as long as we're being nit-picky, it's not likely that ethnic minorities would have had a significant presence among the landed aristocracy that the literary Bond descended from. That's a legacy of colonialism.
Of course, just about everything about the "James Bond" concept is antiquated. The character personifies colonialist white privilege, and he is, as M famously put it, "a sexist, misogynist dinosaur... a relic of the Cold War." At the time that the character was originally conceptualized, SIS/MI6 basically had a history of recruiting its officers from the elitist white gentry. Today they actively recruit minority officers. Elba would be great as a re-imagined Bond for the 21st century, and with a backstory that better represents contemporary British society.
Kor
Okay. It wasn't clear, since you didn't include a smiley.
That's why I use emojis when I think there might be any doubt.
Not really. From Connery through Brosnan, most of the Bond movies made references to experiences that the character has had before, even if Bond was played by different actor at the time. The opening credits of On Her Majesty's Secret Service show highlights of the first five Bond films to remind us that even though the actor was new, the character was the same. And later on in the movie, the George Lazenby Bond is shown with several souvenirs of the Connery films in his desk, accompanied by selections of each movie's score as he takes them out of the drawer. Moore's For Your Eyes Only and Dalton's License to Kill both make reference to the death of Bond's wife Tracy, even though it happened to the Lazenby Bond. And Brosnan's first Bond film, Goldeneye, makes it clear that Bond worked for Judi Dench's predecessor as M.
The movie Bond was a bit like a comic book superhero in that he constantly stayed more or less the same age and in the present day, while his previous adventures still existed on a sliding timescale. For instance, while the Connery, Moore, and Dalton Bonds probably all experienced something like the events of Goldfinger, for the Connery Bond they were in 1964, while for Moore's Bond they were in 1969, and Dalton's they were in 1983. It was an evolving but unbroken continuity for Connery through Brosnan, and the Craig Bonds were the first clear continuity break in the series, as the backstories for Bond and even the Judi Dench M were different (She goes from "You're a relic of the Cold War" in Goldeneye to "Christ, I miss the Cold War!" in Casino Royale).
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As did The Spy Who Loved Me.
I don't think a "sliding timescale" view was necessary during Moore's run, as he was two years older than Connery...he could easily have had Connery's adventures when they originally happened. (Lazenby was several years younger than either, but as his single film is surrounded by Connery films, his age could be seen as a continuity hiccup.) I see the Dalton recasting as a "soft reboot" age-wise.
Nope his accent was terrible in Queen and Country
Heh... I always thought that Moore in "Live and Let Die" looked younger than Connery in "Diamonds Are Forever."
I think "sliding time scale" is a good way to describe the pre-Craig movies overall. All the Bond movies up to and including Die another Day maintained a sense of in-universe continuity.
Kor
I think "sliding time scale" is a good way to describe the pre-Craig movies overall. All the Bond movies up to and including Die another Day maintained a sense of in-universe continuity.
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Which is kind of funny, as I think that one of the reasons Connery stopped playing Bond was because he felt he was getting too old for the part.
Both have been done to death, which is one reason I want dwelling on affairs and marital troubles to be left to soap operas and left out of Trek. Sure, we want to know more about the characters we love. We are also very often far better off not getting what we're so convinced we want.
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