What you DON'T want to see in Star Trek 3

[SeerSGB]

And you know, you just know, they'd assimilate Uhura and make her the Borg Queen.

Oh god, and just as she's about to destroy the Earth, Spock has to stab her with his Adamantium claws...

Nah, the power of their love would save her. Might even get a cheesy instrumental love ballad out of the mix--so long as it's not another cover of "Faith Of The Heart".

As for "No want I!":

- No City On The Edge Of Forever remake
- Ditto "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
- Ditto "Mirror, Mirror"
- No V'ger

Wouldn't mind:

- Doomsday Machine
- Thoilan Web done up in quasi thriller movie style

 

[Hartzilla2007]

P.S.: Just a couple months ago quite a few people wanted the Borg. Now all of a sudden nobody wants them. Moving goalposts much?

I'll cop to it, I bought into that prior Borg buzz but have since changed my mind. Same for my statement above on this thread. If I have a beatdown coming for changing my mind then so be it. My revised opinion:

I'd rather they keep with TOS themes and leave TNG themes for a possible reboot/lead-in to that era. And unless you are APTB with say in the matter one way or another then please don't say it'll never happen, you don't know that for sure.

The Doomsday Machine is better choice IMO than going straight to the Borg/Q; it's an OS concept which could be done on a scale that could leave us all breathless at the scope of it and it fits the bill for not being a traditional villain but is a "force of nature" type antagonist Orci spoke of wanting to do.

All that said, of course I'll always prefer something original to a rehash.

Of course if they did use the Doomsday Machine there are fans who would complain about it being another big black super ship.

 

[SeerSGB]

P.S.: Just a couple months ago quite a few people wanted the Borg. Now all of a sudden nobody wants them. Moving goalposts much?

I'll cop to it, I bought into that prior Borg buzz but have since changed my mind. Same for my statement above on this thread. If I have a beatdown coming for changing my mind then so be it. My revised opinion:

I'd rather they keep with TOS themes and leave TNG themes for a possible reboot/lead-in to that era. And unless you are APTB with say in the matter one way or another then please don't say it'll never happen, you don't know that for sure.

The Doomsday Machine is better choice IMO than going straight to the Borg/Q; it's an OS concept which could be done on a scale that could leave us all breathless at the scope of it and it fits the bill for not being a traditional villain but is a "force of nature" type antagonist Orci spoke of wanting to do.

All that said, of course I'll always prefer something original to a rehash.

Of course if they did use the Doomsday Machine there are fans who would complain about it being another big black super ship.

The Doomsday Machine would work if you just avoided implying or showing any form of intelligent control. Not good or evil, just an eating machine. Don't give the villain a face. Another good take would be something similar to what Marvel did in FF4 Ultimate with Galactus.

And do we really need to see it for most of the movie? Maybe have the crew investigate a bunch of smashed worlds, then find a planet where the DM is the ultimate boogie man. Have the movie revolve around finding out the truth to the legend and finger out if it can be stopped if its real. Just have it lurking in the background. Maybe see it, maybe we don't. But it's always out there, waiting.

 

[lurok]

All that running/shouting. Enough already.

 

[Roald]

As for what I DON'T want... a bad guy a la, well, most Trek films...

The Borg would at least present a RACE as the adversaries, rather than a singular one bent on revenge in some way...
There are many, many things I'd like for ST 3; the absence of a traditional villain being in the top 1...

 

[shapeshifter]

The Doomsday Machine would work if you just avoided implying or showing any form of intelligent control. Not good or evil, just an eating machine. Don't give the villain a face.

Exactly what I was thinking.

And do we really need to see it for most of the movie? Maybe have the crew investigate a bunch of smashed worlds, then find a planet where the DM is the ultimate boogie man. Have the movie revolve around finding out the truth to the legend and finger out if it can be stopped if its real. Just have it lurking in the background. Maybe see it, maybe we don't. But it's always out there, waiting.

I'd want to see it eat at least one world, that would be the money shot! Not seeing it actually ingest a planet was one of the episode weaknesses, imo. (and how tiny it actually appears in comparison to the ships) Wide angle shot of this planet sized thing pulling up to & attaching its maw onto a planet then SLUUUURRRRP it's gone, save a smattering of moon sized crumbs.

Oh, and for added drama, put it on a course for New Vulcan!

 

[Kruezerman]

Eh, sounds too generic.

 

[F. King Daniel]

These new movies take a few cues from old novels, and in Peter David's Vendetta we learned that the ancient Planet Killer was designed to fight....



(hint: They're mentioned in this thread)

 

[Kruezerman]

These new movies take a few cues from old novels, and in Peter David's Vendetta we learned that the ancient Planet Killer was designed to fight....

I saw that somewhere actually. That'd be fun!

 

[DalekJim]

Orci or Kurtzman's name in the credits.

My biggest wish for the next Trek is that it's about the Enterprise encountering a strange new world, with new life and a new civilisation. I think that'd be pretty y'know, bold. Rather than another bland action movie with a vengeance-seeking villain to appease the masses.

 

[Kruezerman]

My biggest wish for the next Trek is that it's about the Enterprise encountering a strange new world, with new life and a new civilisation.

And then what? What happens?

 

[SeerSGB]

Orci or Kurtzman's name in the credits.

My biggest wish for the next Trek is that it's about the Enterprise encountering a strange new world, with new life and a new civilisation. I think that'd be pretty y'know, bold. Rather than another bland action movie with a vengeance-seeking villain to appease the masses.

So completely different from virtually every classic Trek or TNG movie, then?

 

[DalekJim]

Yeah, I've long been saying the movies should resemble Star Trek more.

You guys are getting your golden age of revenge movies right now, and that's brilliant. I'm glad for you. But maybe a slight change next time could be interesting?

 

[Kruezerman]

You still didn't answer my question, what happens when they explore a new planet? Or meet a new civilization?

 

[SeerSGB]

Yeah, I've long been saying the movies should resemble Star Trek more.

You guys are getting your golden age of revenge movies right now, and that's brilliant. I'm glad for you. But maybe a slight change next time could be interesting?

The new movies (for bad or good) follow the same formula as the most of the classic Trek and TNG movies. TMP was the "exploring the strange and unknown" film and we see how well it goes over; TVH was a break from the formula too, and it was played for laughs and more or less ignored the series--characters and framing story aside.

 

[DalekJim]

You still didn't answer my question, what happens when they explore a new planet? Or meet a new civilization?

All number of creative, exciting things and hopefully an adventure that explores philosophy and morality. I'd like maybe a sort-of Star Trek horror film, about the crew encountering a truly alien being that brings about Lovecraftian psychological trauma.

 

[Kruezerman]

Into Darkness was about terrorism and drone warfare and growing up and paranoia and etc. Didn't you see those apparent themes?

 

[DalekJim]

It seemed to fit in to the same thematic structure and mould as blockbusters like The Avengers, The Dark Knight Returns and Skyfall.

I personally feel Star Trek should try and stand out a bit more. Preferably with more emphasis on the science-fiction element.

 

[bullethead]

Into Darkness was about terrorism and drone warfare and growing up and paranoia and etc. Didn't you see those apparent themes?

It's hard to see a theme when all you have are random story elements stuck into a flimsy framework to set up and connect action scenes.

 

[Kruezerman]

Random? In what way?