What would you want the plot of Star Trek 4 to be?

[STEPhon IT]

Title explains it all. I'm tired of the "bad guy wants revenge" plots. I was thinking something like the Doomsday machine, combined with the Guardian of Forever as a plot device to bring George Kirk back, as he's rumored to return. Dad Kirk and Son Kirk team up to stop the Doomsday Machine. Could be cool.

I know what I don't want. I don't want a regurgitation of what I saw before from the original film or elements from the original films like in Beyond: Enterprise destroyed, going to a space station. I don't want them aping The Voyage Home in a JJ Abrams kind of way, you know check out The Force Awakens or Super8.

I don't want to see another ultimate weapon which could destroy the universe nor do I want something will effect the planet Earth. No super baddie who can't live up to the hype, and no guy getting the girl story interwoven into the plot. No Star Wars based ideas or villains of that nature. No riding motorbikes or dune buggies in futuristic world; wheels should not exist in the future.

Weapons should be more like Star Trek weapons than Star Wars, and Warp speed should feel less Star Wars as well.

And get rid of those impractical Star Trek II wannabe uniforms seen from Beyond. Note to JJ: Because Takei is gay doesn't mean Sulu has to be. Come on, JJ. Geez.

 

[Robert_T_April]

KLINGONS!
Into Darkness left some loose ends...
Expand on the conflict that was brewing. How can the Klingon storyline be avoided any longer? They are the Federation's main adversaries!

 

[Robert_T_April]

That could work, if done right. It could also be a good opportunity for them to bring in a cybernetics expert named Soong, played by Brent Spiner.

Why do fans keep revisiting the Borg idea? The Borg was cool in TNG universe with their connection to Picard. They blew it IMO when they added the Borg Queen.
To me, it's a totally ridiculous idea for this universe. Hell let's make Trek 4 a remake of Q-Who? if you want to go the Borg route.

 

[STEPhon IT]

KLINGONS!
Into Darkness left some loose ends...
Expand on the conflict that was brewing. How can the Klingon storyline be avoided any longer? They are the Federation's main adversaries!

Correction, they were the main adversaries in the other universe, not in the JJverse.

 

[fireproof78]

KLINGONS!
Into Darkness left some loose ends...
Expand on the conflict that was brewing. How can the Klingon storyline be avoided any longer? They are the Federation's main adversaries!

Obviously, Marcus' was the only one pushing for war and it never came.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Maybe an epic, grand-scale two-parter. Scientists in the 23rd century have finally penetrated the twelve-mile depth to examine the heart of the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan. What they find is that the core of the asteroid that wiped out most of the dinosaurs 66 million years ago is artificial. Meanwhile, the Klingon homeworld of Qo'noS is being threatened by an approaching asteroid that no known weapons technology has been effective against. Elsewhere, Matt Decker and the USS Constellation have fought the doomsday machine and lost. In TOS, the very specific purpose of the doomsday machine was unknown. Perhaps one side in the old war launched artificial asteroids against their enemies in order to devastate their planets and it was the doomsday machine's purpose to intercept and destroy them with its unique weapon system. With extreme age and glitches, it now recognizes any planet or object in its proximity as another threat that needs to be eliminated. Kirk and crew have to work together with a Klingon crew and captain to board the control room of the doomsday machine, fix the glitches, and use the machine to save Qo'noS. Then they have to trace the paths of the asteroid and machine to find where they came from to see if there are any more threats still originating from the long-dead civilizations. The kicker in all of this could be that they are not 100% successful in eliminating the asteroid. Maybe the doomsday machine's power level for its weapon has weakened over time just enough that the reinforced asteroid can only be broken into chunks rather than completely destroyed. These chunks strike the Klingon homeworld and perhaps there is also a virus attached. This would have long-lasting implications for the Klingon people.

This could open up many possibilities for drama and conflict in the film(s). First, the Klingon pride in not wanting to accept help from 'earthers'. Qo'noS is also obviously a much bigger deal than Praxis was in TUC. Then the consequences from not being 100% successful. Blame being thrown at Kirk and the Klingon captain? By the Klingons and Starfleet?

If done right, it could work just as well for general audiences as for Trek fans.

 

[MadMan1701A]

Maybe an epic, grand-scale two-parter. Scientists in the 23rd century have finally penetrated the twelve-mile depth to examine the heart of the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan. What they find is that the core of the asteroid that wiped out most of the dinosaurs 66 million years ago is artificial. Meanwhile, the Klingon homeworld of Qo'noS is being threatened by an approaching asteroid that no known weapons technology has been effective against. Elsewhere, Matt Decker and the USS Constellation have fought the doomsday machine and lost. In TOS, the very specific purpose of the doomsday machine was unknown. Perhaps one side in the old war launched artificial asteroids against their enemies in order to devastate their planets and it was the doomsday machine's purpose to intercept and destroy them with its unique weapon system. With extreme age and glitches, it now recognizes any planet or object in its proximity as another threat that needs to be eliminated. Kirk and crew have to work together with a Klingon crew and captain to board the control room of the doomsday machine, fix the glitches, and use the machine to save Qo'noS. Then they have to trace the paths of the asteroid and machine to find where they came from to see if there are any more threats still originating from the long-dead civilizations. The kicker in all of this could be that they are not 100% successful in eliminating the asteroid. Maybe the doomsday machine's power level for its weapon has weakened over time just enough that the reinforced asteroid can only be broken into chunks rather than completely destroyed. These chunks strike the Klingon homeworld and perhaps there is also a virus attached. This would have long-lasting implications for the Klingon people.

This could open up many possibilities for drama and conflict in the film(s). First, the Klingon pride in not wanting to accept help from 'earthers'. Qo'noS is also obviously a much bigger deal than Praxis was in TUC. Then the consequences from not being 100% successful. Blame being thrown at Kirk and the Klingon captain? By the Klingons and Starfleet?

If done right, it could work just as well for general audiences as for Trek fans.

That sounds like a great movie!

-Ricky

 

[TrickyDickie]

That sounds like a great movie!

-Ricky

Thanks

 

[PixelMagic]

Maybe an epic, grand-scale two-parter. Scientists in the 23rd century have finally penetrated the twelve-mile depth to examine the heart of the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan. What they find is that the core of the asteroid that wiped out most of the dinosaurs 66 million years ago is artificial. Meanwhile, the Klingon homeworld of Qo'noS is being threatened by an approaching asteroid that no known weapons technology has been effective against. Elsewhere, Matt Decker and the USS Constellation have fought the doomsday machine and lost. In TOS, the very specific purpose of the doomsday machine was unknown. Perhaps one side in the old war launched artificial asteroids against their enemies in order to devastate their planets and it was the doomsday machine's purpose to intercept and destroy them with its unique weapon system. With extreme age and glitches, it now recognizes any planet or object in its proximity as another threat that needs to be eliminated. Kirk and crew have to work together with a Klingon crew and captain to board the control room of the doomsday machine, fix the glitches, and use the machine to save Qo'noS. Then they have to trace the paths of the asteroid and machine to find where they came from to see if there are any more threats still originating from the long-dead civilizations. The kicker in all of this could be that they are not 100% successful in eliminating the asteroid. Maybe the doomsday machine's power level for its weapon has weakened over time just enough that the reinforced asteroid can only be broken into chunks rather than completely destroyed. These chunks strike the Klingon homeworld and perhaps there is also a virus attached. This would have long-lasting implications for the Klingon people.

This could open up many possibilities for drama and conflict in the film(s). First, the Klingon pride in not wanting to accept help from 'earthers'. Qo'noS is also obviously a much bigger deal than Praxis was in TUC. Then the consequences from not being 100% successful. Blame being thrown at Kirk and the Klingon captain? By the Klingons and Starfleet?

If done right, it could work just as well for general audiences as for Trek fans.

Yeah, that sounds good to me. I'd tweak a couple of story elements, but the overall plot sounds awesome.

 

[alpha_leonis]

I was just recently remembering a report that I read, when "Into Darkness" was being filmed and they were still keeping "Khan is the bad guy" secret.

One of the producers actually put out an interview where he did some deliberate misdirection, and stated outright that the next villain would be somebody we already know from the classic series. And he went on to name exactly five TOS adversaries who they could revisit (as his misdirection he specifically stated it was going to be one of these five):

• Gary Mitchell
• Harry Mudd
• Trelane
• The Horta
• The Talosians

Since Mudd has been taken over by Discovery, I think any of the other four might be worth a visit.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The Horta aren't bad guys, and I really don't want a power-hungry miner Human is the bad guy.

Mitchell appears in the IDW comics (that's not a reason to exclude, but it's worth noting)

The Talosians - hmm. Could we bring back Pike then?

Trelane - He was more of a silly child, and the comics also had them the similar meet Q, who took them to an apparent reboot DS9 timeline (again, not that that stops them, but whatever)

 

[TrickyDickie]

Gary Mitchell....hmmm. If it was Carol Marcus instead of Elizabeth Dehner (okay, it's the hair thing....see below), and she was with him instead of against him, that would make quite a problem for Kirk.

Decker and Ilia from the prime universe could be brought into it to go against them. We never knew what happened to them.

Could be an interesting story all the way around....

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Maybe an epic, grand-scale two-parter. Scientists in the 23rd century have finally penetrated the twelve-mile depth to examine the heart of the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan. What they find is that the core of the asteroid that wiped out most of the dinosaurs 66 million years ago is artificial. Meanwhile, the Klingon homeworld of Qo'noS is being threatened by an approaching asteroid that no known weapons technology has been effective against. Elsewhere, Matt Decker and the USS Constellation have fought the doomsday machine and lost. In TOS, the very specific purpose of the doomsday machine was unknown. Perhaps one side in the old war launched artificial asteroids against their enemies in order to devastate their planets and it was the doomsday machine's purpose to intercept and destroy them with its unique weapon system. With extreme age and glitches, it now recognizes any planet or object in its proximity as another threat that needs to be eliminated. Kirk and crew have to work together with a Klingon crew and captain to board the control room of the doomsday machine, fix the glitches, and use the machine to save Qo'noS. Then they have to trace the paths of the asteroid and machine to find where they came from to see if there are any more threats still originating from the long-dead civilizations. The kicker in all of this could be that they are not 100% successful in eliminating the asteroid. Maybe the doomsday machine's power level for its weapon has weakened over time just enough that the reinforced asteroid can only be broken into chunks rather than completely destroyed. These chunks strike the Klingon homeworld and perhaps there is also a virus attached. This would have long-lasting implications for the Klingon people.

This could open up many possibilities for drama and conflict in the film(s). First, the Klingon pride in not wanting to accept help from 'earthers'. Qo'noS is also obviously a much bigger deal than Praxis was in TUC. Then the consequences from not being 100% successful. Blame being thrown at Kirk and the Klingon captain? By the Klingons and Starfleet?

If done right, it could work just as well for general audiences as for Trek fans.

I actually like this a lot. It hits all the right notes.

 

[TrickyDickie]

I actually like this a lot. It hits all the right notes.

Thanks

While the idea of a virus being introduced to a planet by outsiders comes from the show 'Ancient Aliens', and they take it down the path to try to back up their thing, I thought it was nevertheless perfect fodder to include in a good sci-fi story.

 

[One Lucky Red Shirt]

Nice suggestions, opinions everyone. How about something completely original? Klingons, romulans, the borg have all been used up in the franchise. Too many films with the klingons in them!

Even though im not crazy about horror films, it would be interesting if Trek did try their hand at a horror flick. If done right, the Gorn could be used to great effect like watching an aliens film. No more klingons, romulans, khan, im mad so gonna get my revenge type stories though for sure!

 

[Visitor1982]

Less action, more plot. No revenge story. No Klingons, Romulans or Borg. I want exploration, a mystery...

 

[saddestmoon]

I would like to see more different types of Federation starships (lotsa different classes / roles afoot).

And a Kelvinverse Excelsior starship type make an appearance!

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

The movie I want will never happen, in any ST timeline, but.....all I want is a slice-of-life story where the crew is studying a star system with some weird science things going on...and that's it. Our ensemble cast does the science thing and they also have stuff going on in their lives. We get to see the crew being Starfleet (the sciencey Starfleet, not the military one), we get to see standard starship procedures (Trek is seriously lacking in conference room scenes right now!), we get to see the interpersonal drama happening within the crew and the effects of long term space exploration has on them. Basically all the things that that I really liked out of the first 10 minutes of Beyond, without the action movie that followed.

And I want it to be 4 hours long.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^I'd say there's a reasonable chance of them doing something "Data's Day"-ish on Discovery, if it lasts a few seasons.

 

[Nyotarules]

wheels should not exist in the future.

Wheels will always exist, folks need to catch the bus to work or ride their bikes, plus all those colonies need Uber.