• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

What would you have done differently for Season 2?

The next whinge will be if they ever make it back to the 23rdC, how their knowledge of the future is kept quiet. One of the reasons I'm fairly sure they won't be back.
Well... you're probably right that they can't go back as far as the 23rd century, but they could go back as far as to just after the destruction of Romulus. ;)
What explanation is needed, other then Future Guy? :D Archer has been Beckett in his descendants body the entire time!
But see, that's what I meant by minimum explanation: I wouldn't even mention Archer or Future Guy, just Sam, trying repeatedly to fix a terrible future that he discovered ends with the destruction of all sentient life, using his AI enhanced suit named Ziggy. (Turns out, he's moving the suit through time, not the other way around.)
 
I'd have had more gratuitous erotic scenes a la Enterprise
Mucho rubbing of lotions etc
Whats the point in even considering how WE'D do it or how WE'D change things ?
Its done, and cannot be undone.
80% of Discovery was good, the rest was riddled with plot anomalies and time technobabble, it happens in every Trek
 
There's "What We Have" versus "What I Wanted". I had no idea what I wanted at the beginning of Season 2. Burnham has her rank restored and now what? Pike shows up and now what? Georgiou will be recruited into Section 31 and now what? L'Rell is Chancellor of the Klingon Empire and now what? I had no expectations beyond those, so I'll look at how "What We Have" could've been better instead of "What I Wanted".

Then they mentioned Science vs. Faith. They gave Pike the Faith. Faith that he'd come out of any mission intact unless it was the incident. I would've played up the Science Part.

Georgiou vs. Leland. I would've made it a more difficult competition. I would've made it harder. Georgiou wanted to do a power play, and Leland should've been more of a challenge for her. They should've really shown why he's in the position he's in.

Gabrielle Burnham is on Terralysium in The Future. I'd have liked to have had her explain why she chose to transport humans from WWIII Earth, of all times and places she could've chose a population from, to this location. We might still get that in S3, but I would've liked to have seen it in S2.

I still don't know where there's room for "Runaway" to have taken place between episodes. I would've liked if that were more clear.
 
Last edited:
It's important to note that just because there are many things I would have chosen to work out differently, it doesn't for a second mean that I didn't enjoy the ride.

In a way, this season reminds me a lot of my own personal love for Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. I know that comparison will sicken some people...but I don't mean it to at all.

That was a movie filled with logic gaps and that had a bold ambitious premise that kind of fizzled. Yet (for me personally), the characters were awesome and the ride was such fun, I hardly care at all. Now, I've written lengthy posts on how that movie could have been cleaned up and improved...but just because I can find all those faults and so forth doesn't mean I don't love it.

It's the same for me with DSC. I love it for what it is. Yes, there are many things I'd chose to see done differently. But, despite all that, it still entertains me on the purest level. There's been a lot of Trek I can't say that about. So, I'm grateful to DSC.

I'll take this show over something this is much tighter and more logical, but ultimately unentertaining, any time.
 
Last edited:
One thing I'm glad they did do is they didn't go where I thought they would when they said they'd explain how Spock became the Spock of TOS. Many here, including me, took that to mean they'd explain how he went from shouting and smiling Spock to calm and logical Spock. But that's not what they did. They had Burnham tell Spock to reach out whoever he meets in the future who's the least like him.
 
I'm a believer that plots aren't that important, and nearly any plot could be interesting if it is executed well. So my "things I would do differently" are more general and about characters and execution.

1. They shouldn't have isolated Burnham so much from the rest of the characters. The show needs to have more character interactions among the regular cast. Character interactions are what makes a show fun and entertaining -- not watching one character fight through personal angsty moments like someone with a machete cutting through the deep-drama jungle. Too much of that is neither fun nor entertaining.

I get it that Burnham is the main character, and I have no problem with that; I like Burnham. However, since the action and the "camera" need to mostly follow the main character, write the story so that main character interacts with the rest of the characters more frequently. In that way, we can see the rest of the characters and see those (hopefully) fun and entertaining interactions between them.

I think this isolation of Burnham from the other characters is what rubs some people the wrong way and causes some to (inaccurately) label her as a Mary Sue. They have her doing so much for herself and by herself , and often without any support or input from the crew that it gives the appearance of being a "Mary Sue."

2. They need to put Tilly and Stamets together as a mentor-mentee pairing. They seem to feed well off of one another: Tilly with the lack of filter, and Stanets with the prickliness to tell her that her lack of filter can be annoying -- PLUS the warmth to be able to be brutally honest with her in a positive way.

3. More Saru. He is always good for a wise word, and he has the ability to look at situations from a thoughtful angle and verbalize that thoughtfulness. Saru could act as a secondary mentor to Tilly while Tilly is on the bridge. He, too has the ability to tell it like it is without sounding overly critical.

4. S-L-O-W D-O-W-N the pace. Take a few moments for the characters -- and the viewing audience -- to consider and reflect on the on-screen situation. Allowing the audience enough time to reflect on what's going on with the story makes for a more memorable story. Jumping quickly form scene to scene does not give the audience time to remember (long-term) each scene.

Slowing down the pace will also allow them to do a better jog tying up loose plot points. When they throw everything plus the kitchen sink at the action action, some plot points are bound to be missed. Basically slowing down would serve to tighten it up.

And if they are going to use quick-cut multiple-camera work in a scene, learn how to do it in a way that isn't so jarring.

I though the scenes on Terralysium in New Eden were technically well done; quietly and thoughtfully paced, but still carried the story along. However, in that same episode we had the constant break-neck running, fast camera cuts, people talking over each other, and generally frenetic scenes on the ship itself. That seem like a split-personality episode -- and I liked the slower-paced personality.

5. It seems they learned their lesson with ship design. The ships in season 1 (such as the Klingon ship and the Charon) were so amorphous and had too much going on for a person to take in that they may as well have looked like nothing. The audience should be able to have a mental picture in their mind when they think about the ships that were just presented to them. That was nearly impossible in season 1, but much better in season 2.

So I applaud them for cleaning up the "noisy and busy" ship designs in season 2. Hopefully that will continue in season 3 and beyond.
 
Last edited:
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top