What would Roddenberry want in XI??
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Did Roddenberry like the Wrath of Khan ? cause I hate those personal winner takes all stories. I like crazy metaphysical philosophical concepts that make you think and not about suicide or how to be devious to get your way in life.
Somewhat true. Certainly NBC shows like "I, Spy" were doing a good deal more for representations of minority characters than "Star Trek" could or did, to cite one example among many.
I'm not saying it was three hours social commentary and relevance every night on every network, but that Star Trek was hardly the lone voice in the wilderness that some would have you believe.
Roddenberry did an interview with Starlog around that time, and there were some things about TWOK that he wasn't too fond of. In no particular order, he thought the uniforms looked like something out of a "Student Prince" high school play, that having Kirk shoot the Ceti Eel "like an old lady stepping on a spider" was something of a betrayal of the character they'd spent three years building up (specifically that Kirk, when faced with an unknown lifeform, would not just whip out the phaser and zap it), and that Ricardo Montalban basically "saved their ass", because only he could've delivered that cheesy dialogue ("I'll chase him 'round the rings of Nibia...") without having the audience burst out laughing.
I become more and more glad each day that other people took the helm from Gene.
One thing about about other shows' social commentary as compared to Star Trek's.
Simply by the nature of those other shows' more familiar settings, especially those with contemporary settings, they could only go so far. For instance, Vietnam was a forbidden subject (just for mentioning Vietnam, not even saying anything pro or con, "The Lieutenant" lost the cooperation with the Marine Corps they'd enjoyed early on).
Shows like Star Trek and Twilight Zone, because of the outrageous settings, could be a lot more subversive. And to further camouflage this tendency, follow up next week with a total romp, like "The Trouble With Tribbles" or "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet", to reassure the suits that it really was all in good fun.
Simply by the nature of those other shows' more familiar settings, especially those with contemporary settings, they could only go so far. For instance, Vietnam was a forbidden subject (just for mentioning Vietnam, not even saying anything pro or con, "The Lieutenant" lost the cooperation with the Marine Corps they'd enjoyed early on).
Shows like Star Trek and Twilight Zone, because of the outrageous settings, could be a lot more subversive. And to further camouflage this tendency, follow up next week with a total romp, like "The Trouble With Tribbles" or "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet", to reassure the suits that it really was all in good fun.
They were trying, but not always succeeding, to get things past network censors with westerns and cop shows. It was GR's frustration trying to get things through, on shows like "Have Gun, Will Travel" and "The Lieutenant", that led him to realize that SF often got a free ride re controversial issues, because the events were happening to polka-dotted people on another planet, not humans.
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Gene would want a time travel story that ends with Spock being the guy who assassinated JFK.
No joke, he pitched that story multiple times for the movies.
No joke, he pitched that story multiple times for the movies.
Really? I hadn't heard that.
Especially since he died.
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^^ except that Gene Roddenberry died in 1991. Gene L. Coon took the helm of TOS from Gene R. back in late 1966 and early 1967 (less than half-way through the first season).
^^ except that Gene Roddenberry died in 1991. Gene L. Coon took the helm of TOS from Gene R. back in late 1966 and early 1967 (less than half-way through the first season).
Yeah remember out of all the TOS episodes Gene Roddenberry only wrote 11.
yea but he rewrote alot. How many eps did coon write ? Coon also my least favorite one wink of an eye and GR wrote my favorites like Return of the Archons and Savage Curtain.
I belive Coon wrote 12, and Boris Sobleman wrote Return of the Archons The teleplay there's no crediting of Gene Roddenberry on that episode and he only co worte Savage curtain, with Aurthur Heinemann.
DC fontana wrote Ten episodes.
So out of seventy episodes Gene wrote 11, DC wrote 10, Coon wrote 12 thats 33 of seventy episodes the rest were written by people like Ellison Wilbur (Who co wrote space seed with coon.) I think if you look back at most of Gene Roddenberry's work, his other shows that he tried Star Trek was so successful because of the whole pool of writers and yes while gene wrote many of the stories and did re-writes on others I doubt he did major changes in the story structure. I'm just saying there are people who did as much work ash he did, he's the creator but he didn't do it alone, (which BTW is one of the over reaching arcs of Star Trek is that no one person can do it all by themselves, or they would have always focused on just Kirk, they didn't but that's an unrelated aside)
Well i myself think Gene did far more than he's credited for but they all outdid themselves, but coon's wink of an eye was really horrible and didn't he write spock's brain which i liked better by far under the psuedo name of Lee Cronin ?
The legend is that Coon wrote "Spock's Brain" as a spoof. The problem is that Fred Freiberger took it seriously and actually greenlit the thing.
The really scary part is that the network decided to use it to kick off the third season.
The really scary part is that the network decided to use it to kick off the third season.
Exactly, that doesn't mean he wrote everything.
Manny Coto did not write ENT season 4, but most everyone will agree
that once he took creative control of the show and it's direction it improved
greatly.
Gene obviously had an awesome idea in Trek, but it needed people around
him to execute it in a better fashion.
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