What would Roddenberry want in XI??

[SonicRanger]

... How would you go about continiuing anything, even ST, if you ignored the person who created it and what He determined it as??Rick Berman said that Gene Roddenberry stood behind him while he was making DS9 ...

Cheapjack, you do know that DS9 wasn't Roddenberry's idea for a TNG spinoff, right?

Do you know what Roddenberry pitched instead? A comedic "The Adventures of Lwaxana Troi" series, starring his wife (again), that would have followed the wacky adventures of Ambassador Troi as she schlepped across the galaxy.

That Roddenberry's vision for the future of Trek.

 

[SalvorHardin]

it's been over 20 years since he died, there is absoloutely no way to know how his view of the world

Well, I believe J.J Abrams could help with that.

Let's call him and tell him to get his Fringe squad to the graveyard... Problem solved

 

[trekkerguy]

it's been over 20 years since he died, there is absoloutely no way to know how his view of the world

Well, I believe J.J Abrams could help with that.

Let's call him and tell him to get his Fringe squad to the graveyard... Problem solved

How far behind on that show am I? I'd love to catch up on it.

And I don't know where your new Avatar is from, but I like.

 

[SalvorHardin]

it's been over 20 years since he died, there is absoloutely no way to know how his view of the world

Well, I believe J.J Abrams could help with that.

Let's call him and tell him to get his Fringe squad to the graveyard... Problem solved

How far behind on that show am I? I'd love to catch up on it.

And I don't know where your new Avatar is from, but I like.

Try to catch up. It has improved significantly as the episodes progressed. It's on hiatus now.

As for the avatar, it's Kaley Cuoco aka Penny from the latest episode of The Big Bang Theory, another great funny show.
I thought I'd rest Uhura and do something Christmassy.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I've always felt that Gene L. Coon was the mastermind behind making Star Trek into a quality TV show, not Roddenberry. It may have been Roddenberry's idea, but Coon (and Bob Justman) made that idea work.

I would even hazard to say that it was Berman who actually made TNG work, not Roddenberry. I almost gave up on TNG after watching Roddenberry's mediocre pilot episode, Encounter at Farpoint. Luckily I stuck with it for that season, and it started getting better after Berman took more control (although I have to say that Berman also later did much to kill the Franchise).

I credit Roddenberry for creating the general idea for the series, but he was NOT the "driving force" that made the series successful.

 

[trekkerguy]

Well, I believe J.J Abrams could help with that.

Let's call him and tell him to get his Fringe squad to the graveyard... Problem solved

How far behind on that show am I? I'd love to catch up on it.

And I don't know where your new Avatar is from, but I like.

Try to catch up. It has improved significantly as the episodes progressed. It's on hiatus now.

As for the avatar, it's Kaley Cuoco aka Penny from the latest episode of The Big Bang Theory, another great funny show.
I thought I'd rest Uhura and do something Christmassy.

Sweet thanks!

And that does look pretty good, I'll have to check my times and such.
I pretty much only know the Comedy Central schedule

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You've got quite a high chance of being hit car, as a matter of fact. I don't know what the percentage is.

Why don't you read the sentence you're disputing there more carefully and give it a little thought before you try to address it?

I've no interest in "wiping out" anyone's "legacy." Based on your posts here I simply don't think much of your reasoning, your particular understanding of either "morality" or fiction, or your attempts to define Roddenberry's "legacy." You're just not persuasive.

GR's legacy where "Star Trek" is concerned is simply "Star Trek" itself and anyone who watches it has the right and ability to decide for themselves what value they find in it. You can have another opinion, but you can't speak for Roddenberry or make any definitive statements on what "Star Trek is about" that any other viewer (or filmmaker, as the case may be given the context of this conversation) need accept as more valid than their own experience.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Statistically speaking, Dennis, flying is still the safest way to travel.

Now are we back on track?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Statistically speaking, Dennis, flying is still the safest way to travel.

Now are we back on track?

Ask Bryan Singer.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Statistically speaking, Dennis, flying is still the safest way to travel.

Now are we back on track?

Ask Bryan Singer.

The answer... is "no." They are therefore going ahead anyway.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I was reading the trackback on the recent Star Trek: Phase II fan webisode, "Blood and Fire, part one," on Trekmovie and came upon something that might add to this discussion of "WWRD?".

David Gerrold brings something interesting up in terms of Roddenberry and canon. Here is the snippit:

David Gerrold, post #266 ( http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/20/fanmade-review-phase-ii-blood-and-fire-part-1/#comments )

During the early production of TNG, more than once I (and other staff members) pointed out things to Gene Roddenberry that went against things we’d already established. He said, and I quote word for word: “Allow me the consistency of my inconsistencies.” As annoying as that phrase might have been at the time, that was Gene’s gentle way of reminding us all that the story is always more important than the details.

Of course, he is referring to the use of Regulan Bloodworms in his PII episode, but I think that it still applies to this discussion and to the albatross known as "canon."

 

[Therin of Andor]

You seem to be determined to wipe out the legacy of this man and shape ST into what YOU think it should be, ignoring all that came before.

Really? I thought he was just enjoying the debate and contributing some viewpoints.

Why don't you set up your own series? You seem to be very authoratitive.

You make it sound so easy. Let's all set up our own series, and be as "authoratitive" as we like. We can all battle it out for the ratings in sweeps week, and a winner shall be declared!

 

[Therin of Andor]

Do you know what Roddenberry pitched instead? A comedic "The Adventures of Lwaxana Troi" series, starring his wife (again), that would have followed the wacky adventures of Ambassador Troi as she schlepped across the galaxy.

Actually, IIRC, it was to be an Earth-based situation comedy, with Lwaxana as the Betazoid fish out of water. And Majel told him to pitch it, or else he'd be back on the couch. (If I'm remembering my Majel Barrett convention anecdotes correctly.)

Since we saw very little of 24th century Earth in TNG, or even 23rd century Earth in TOS, the premise might not have been so bad...

 

[SonicRanger]

Do you know what Roddenberry pitched instead? A comedic "The Adventures of Lwaxana Troi" series, starring his wife (again), that would have followed the wacky adventures of Ambassador Troi as she schlepped across the galaxy.

Actually, IIRC, it was to be an Earth-based situation comedy, with Lwaxana as the Betazoid fish out of water. And Majel told him to pitch it, or else he'd be back on the couch. (If I'm remembering my Majel Barrett convention anecdotes correctly.)

Since we saw very little of 24th century Earth in TNG, or even 23rd century Earth in TOS, the premise might not have been so bad...

It's possible -- I don't remember it being Earth-based when I heard it from Majel Barrett, but it could've been at one point, at least, it could've been. I seem to call something about her "galavanting about" but I could be mistaken too. But she definitely seemed to emphasize the comedic potential, so a serious "fish-out-of-water" premise does sound interesting but is at odds with what I remember of her description.

I remember her saying that Paramount was looking for a TNG spin-off, and at least in my memory, she presented this proposal as a near-certainty that we should watch for on the small screen. And it wasn't too long before we started hearing about a new spin-off... about a space station.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I heard her tell this story and I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

 

[SonicRanger]

I heard her tell this story and I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

Perhaps it was, but I certainly wasn't left with the impression at the time.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Supposedly, there was some brief interest back in the '60s of a Harry Mudd spinoff that never materialized.

 

[SonicRanger]

Supposedly, there was some brief interest back in the '60s of a Harry Mudd spinoff that never materialized.

Clearly Abrams' mandate from GR is to make a film centered around the adventures of Harry Mudd and Lwaxana Troi.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

I heard her tell this story and I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

One can only hope.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Three breasted hypersexed crew members, Spock lying on the grassy knoll phasering JFK.

Those suggestions would be sent on a regular basis to Abhams in memo form.

hah!! I actually laughed at that...but you're probably right too..

Rob