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What would Kirk make of Data?

Benny Russell

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Hello all. I used to post on the old Trek BBS and I thought I'd come back before the new movie comes out. Wasn't sure if this should go here or in the general forum; I'll try here because it's more about Kirk.

Been watching old TOS eps and I recently saw "Return of the Archons," in which we once again saw Kirk assert his superiority over an artificial intelligence. We saw this quite a bit during the original three-year run, actually, which made me wonder how would Kirk react to seeing someone like Data, an AI who aspires to be human.

I suspect his attitude - at first, anyway - might not be too different from Dr. Pulaski: willing to entertain the notion but extremely dubious. (One would hope he wouldn't be quite as patronizing as Pulaski was, however.) I think he'd take into account the fact that Starfleet accepted Data into its ranks and that Data has excelled within it to the point of serving on the flagship. Kirk might extend his occasional light teasing of Spock over to Data the more he got to know him - his way of testing Data to see if it were indeed possible for him to have a soul.

In the end, though, I suspect he would never fully buy into the notion of Data as a sentient lifeform. He may eventually accept him as a fellow officer, work with him, even trust him with his life if necessary, but given the kind of life he has led and the experiences he has had, I think accepting Data as a sentient being might undermine his faith in himself a little. Remember in "The Ultimate Computer" when he thought at first he might be resentful of M5 possibly doing his job better than he can?

I think a part of him would always need to be one-up on Data because throughout his Starfleet career, he's always held firm to his belief in the power of the human spirit. For an AI to make that leap forward into a level of human consciousness and awareness - like V'ger in TMP - would, in Kirk's mind, make humanity obsolete. That's my theory, anyway.
 
There were a few examples of androids that Kirk perfectly well accepted - when they weren't trying to kill him. Hell, he even tormented himself over accidentally emotionally destroying one.

Kirk accepts androids, even as potential equals, he wouldn't have had an issue with Data. He does not, however, accept them as gods.
 
In the end, though, I suspect he would never fully buy into the notion of Data as a sentient lifeform.

I have no reason to think of Kirk as narrow-minded this way. Who would support Data's quest to understand humanity more than Kirk?
 
There were a few examples of androids that Kirk perfectly well accepted - when they weren't trying to kill him. Hell, he even tormented himself over accidentally emotionally destroying one.

Kirk accepts androids, even as potential equals, he wouldn't have had an issue with Data. He does not, however, accept them as gods.
Yeah, that's the thing: Kirk only had a real objection to computers that were trying to kill him or destroy starships.

There were admittedly a shortage of such pacific androids, but that's not Kirk's fault.
 
"... and you, I'll turn you into a beehive!" -- Wicked Witch of the West
 
He and Spock would team up to make Data's brain fizzle and burn out.

'THIS... UNIT... MUST... DIE...'

That seems to be standard operating procedure when dealing with AIs. Make them self-destruct via their own logic.

As an almost completely off-topic aside, Andrea from 'What Are Little Girls Made Of?' was the hottest woman ever, android or not, Trek or otherwise.
 
Kirk accepts androids, even as potential equals, he wouldn't have had an issue with Data. He does not, however, accept them as gods.
Yeah, that's the thing: Kirk only had a real objection to computers that were trying to kill him or destroy starships.

There were admittedly a shortage of such pacific androids, but that's not Kirk's fault.

I freely admit I could be totally off-base. That's why I cited episodes like "The Ultimate Computer" because his attitude comes across as someone who believes computers and AIs should be subordinate to humans.
 
He and Spock would team up to make Data's brain fizzle and burn out.

'THIS... UNIT... MUST... DIE...'

That seems to be standard operating procedure when dealing with AIs. Make them self-destruct via their own logic.

As an almost completely off-topic aside, Andrea from 'What Are Little Girls Made Of?' was the hottest woman ever, android or not, Trek or otherwise.

From what I heard onset...Shatner agreed. That dazed look she had when he kissed her...wasn't acting!
 
Data (and Voyager's Doctor) is a toaster -- a slap in the face to everything the original series was trying to say about man.

A non-human struggling to understand what it means to be human goes along PERFECTLY with what ST:TOS was trying to say about man.

Star Trek, like any good Sci-Fi, works best when it shows us something about ourselves while using the fantastic as a proxy.
 
It would probably take him a little time to realize that Data wasn't as goofy as the other androids he met during TOS but Data would probably just remind Kirk of Spock like he did McCoy in the TNG pilot. With Data spouting off exact numbers, remembering every little thing and being "emotionless" and not understanding things, they would probably get along. Data seems just as loyal to Picard as Spock is to Kirk.

Scotty on the other hand would probably have issues though. When he was on TNG and he met Data "Synthetic Scotch, Synthetic Commanders", didn't seem too impressed. Although Data did get him drunk with the "green" stuff....
 
Scotty wasn't his usual cheerful self though, he just came out of a transporter and discovered he was brought 78 years into the future with all the emotional stress that comes with it.

I think if he had stayed on board Ent D he would have made friends with Data.
 
Data (and Voyager's Doctor) is a toaster -- a slap in the face to everything the original series was trying to say about man.

A non-human struggling to understand what it means to be human goes along PERFECTLY with what ST:TOS was trying to say about man.

Star Trek, like any good Sci-Fi, works best when it shows us something about ourselves while using the fantastic as a proxy.

Stating there's nothing special about man and that he's no better than his machines is he very opposite of what TOS was saying.
 
As an almost completely off-topic aside, Andrea from 'What Are Little Girls Made Of?' was the hottest woman ever, android or not, Trek or otherwise.

Sherry Jackson - she did all kinds of TV spots in the 60's, 70's, and 80's.
 
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