what would have been in season 5

[ChristopherPike]

^ I believe I've communicated with rbx55 in the past, likely back in my SE days... and can assure you, he definately ain't Rick Berman.

 

[rbx55]

No, I'm not Rick Berman. However, I do heartily acknowledge his (and Brannon's) creation: STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE, based on Gene Roddenberry's original: STAR TREK. (Like Manny & Co., I'm a major fan of TOS, and always believed -- as Brannon himself acknowledged only recently for the record -- that tie-ins to later eras of 'Trek should have been done from the beginning of the series.) ST:ENT died before its time! But then, this is science fiction, and as Spock once said, "I've been dead before."

I was more shocked than most by UPN's cancellation of the series, I suspect, as the public announcement (made the first week of February 2005) came THE DAY AFTER I sent in the Guinan story for WGA-registration, in order to properly shop it to Manny for Season Five (which was supposed to happen, pending Paramount approving his "intent" to accept freelance scripts as the studio did for TNG, DS9 and VGR, as soon as the WGA-registration came through: it's now listed as WGA-E literary work "R18220-00," and is ready for shopping to Paramount, should they choose to accept it for a TV movie, or a renewal of the series. DESPITE what Les Moonves said, I'm holding out for that possibility! (And yes, I've had an offer to produce a comic-book version of the story, but those who made the offer have not written back in about 7 months..........)

This story is AN ENTIRELY FINISHED teleplay with full dialogue -- it's written as [ready for Manny & Co. to do the standard "breakdown" for shooting prep]. And I have taken it upon myself to revise it twice more since the February 2005 draft was registered at WGA-E (it's even better now than what might be found in the Writer's Guild archives).

But it's still here, and is ready for a TV movie, should Paramount (with new management that is apparently Trek-friendly), and SciFi Network, choose to persue that avenue with ST:ENT. It's still possible, I'm told, as ST:ENT currently has the second-highest show viewership ratings on the SciFi channel, second only to their [new] BSG series.

HEY: for those still not "signed on," please go online and find that Direct-to-DVD petition: it's been signed by well over 18,000 people -- and there are still those DISCOVERING the existence of ST:ENT, since UPN rarely produced adequate advertisement for the show.

But SCI FI NETWORK is a completely different animal, and their publicity for the show is simply AMAZING! And, FUN!

---Rhett Coates
eastern U.S.A.

 

[rbx55]

The "KILKENNY CATS" story was intended as a Season-5 episode as well, and while it would have brought yet another enemy to Earth besides the Romulans (in this case, the cat-like Kzinti seen in The Animated Series episode "Slaver Weapon"), the story is currently being seriously considered as an episode of Star Trek: New Voyages. So, at least THAT one may yet see the lights of a sound-stage.

 

[pookha]

i believe eureka is the highest rated show on sci fi.

 

[qstor]

Rhett sorry that Kilkenny Cats wasn't made.

The one with Spocks grandfather would have been VERY cool.

As far as the Borg episode ICK...Another Braga rough shod over canon ignoring TNG materials.

Mike

 

[Captain X]

No offense to rbx55, I'm sure the script is well written and all, but I'm honestly glad to not have yet another TNG tie-in on ENT. I'm also glad that we never got the second Borg episode with the origin of the Borg queen. Seeing the Kzinti would have been cool, but as nice as it was to finally have some TOS tie-ins, ENT really should've just continued to be its own show, and led in to the Earth/Romulan War, at least IMNSHO.

 

[gblews]

rbx55 said:
WELL..... I know the Guinan/Hoshi story in great detail (--I wrote it--), and I can tell you it isn't any such story where she "...has some dark mission to influence Earth's past." Honest. In fact, she has her own "Prime Directive" of a sort, only hinted at in the story. This time around, she's the assistant to the leader of the United Earth Space Probe Agency, and along with that woman, and Skon, provides the catalyst for trying to help solve a shocking delimma in which Hoshi has the pivotal role in the story. What kind of story is it, exactly? I'm not saying. (Sorry, NO SPOILERS here!) But I WILL say this much: it's written with Gene Roddenberry's spirit of future OPTIMISTIC vision in mind, in that he often aluded to contemporary moral issues of our own time, set in a science fiction genre---to allow an issue to be turned on its ear, and to see another potential side of any such issue, perhaps in some way no one has thought of before. (Yeah, I refer to TOS in that.)

Your script sounds great. I was always a Guinan fan. I will continue to hope that one day it will be filmed. This all does nothing to shake my belief that given a few more seasons, ENT would have taken it's place alongside TOS and DS9 as the best TV Trek.

 

[rbx55]

qstor said:
Rhett sorry that Kilkenny Cats wasn't made.
Mike

Mike, that story was written by Jimmy Diggs. See the Star Trek: New Voyages website, here:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_New_Voyages_episodes>

TEXT:
"KILKENNY CATS"
Jimmy Diggs (teleplay)
Neal Hallford (story by)
Jana Hallford (story by)

".....Adapted from a script planned for the 5th season Star Trek: Enterprise, this episode will feature a cat-like warrior race called the Kytheri, which will be created entirely with CGI. (Originally the plans had been to re-introduce the Kzinti featured in the animated series episode "The Slaver Weapon", but due to copyright conflicts with the current film-rights holder of the Kzinti, a new race has been introduced in their place. The Kzinti were originally created by famous science-fiction author Larry Niven....."

 

[qstor]

Captain X said:
ENT really should've just continued to be its own show, and led in to the Earth/Romulan War, at least IMNSHO.

I agree 100%. Although it would be interesting to see how the Federation and Romulan's ever saw each other with B&B's reimagining of that time period and since the Romulans had those remote control ships. Maybe they just used those ships in the war? Who knows?

Mike

 

[ialfan]

qstor said:

Captain X said:
ENT really should've just continued to be its own show, and led in to the Earth/Romulan War, at least IMNSHO.

I agree 100%. Although it would be interesting to see how the Federation and Romulan's ever saw each other with B&B's reimagining of that time period and since the Romulans had those remote control ships. Maybe they just used those ships in the war? Who knows?

Mike

I've always assumed that the Romulans used Reman troops in any engagements or boarding actions.

The Romulans would destroy one of their ships rather than surrender so if they've been boarded and couldn't kill/capture the intruders in time they'd probably self-destruct.

The novel, The Good That Men Do had Trip, Archer and T'Pol finding out what the Romulans looked like but they probably kept it to themselves to keep the alliance with Vulcan from falling apart.

 

[Captain X]

I always thought it was as simple as the Romulans refusing to transmit visual images, and taking no prisoners.

 

[rbx55]

Captain X said:
I always thought it was as simple as the Romulans refusing to transmit visual images, and taking no prisoners.

This is an interesting question, and would have been the crux of the issue of what Spock would state to the crew of the USS Enterprise A CENTURY LATER, about there being no visual communication "possible" [in that era]. Obviously, NX-01 had a viewscreen, so I surmise that some sort of spacial anomaly -- in the region the space battle(s) of the Earth-Romulan war took place -- made visual communication completely impossible from a practical perspective. The most likely reason, is that the Romulans knew that if Earth people found out who they were (offshoots of Vulcan), the Vulcans would certainly make every effort to speed up their "help" with Earth's warp drive research, bringing Earth ships up to higher warp capability than just Warp 5 of the NX fleet. That would make sense too, as the Romulans were SEEN ON VULCAN stirring up that fake war between Vulcan and Andor, and that the NX-01 crew made every effort to stop (NEVER KNOWING it was the Romulans all along who were behind the whole thing!). The Romulans also likely tried to undermine the stability of the entire quadrant, so that they would have the advantage to easily re-conquer Vulcan for themselves.

The Romulans KNEW the region of space where they squared off in battle would obscure the primitive screens of Earth Starfleet ships, and perhaps all other ship viewscreens.....

Heck: it's NO WONDER they have hated Earth for so many centuries later: through Kirk's time, and into Picard's time: because Jonathan Archer and his crew of the pre-Federation starship Enterprise stopped their take-over of Vulcan!

 

[Nebusj]

rbx55 said:
This is an interesting question, and would have been the crux of the issue of what Spock would state to the crew of the USS Enterprise A CENTURY LATER, about there being no visual communication "possible" [in that era].

But Spock doesn't say that. He says no quarter was given or received, and he says there was not ship-to-ship visual communication and therefore no human, Romulan, or ally saw the other, but that's a very different thing to visual communication being impossible.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Romulans had already taken over Vulcan decades earlier, but they would be pissed about losing it. if they controlled Vulcan then they controlled Earth... Um? I have no idea how things got out of hand?

I always go back tot he the T'Pol quote from mine Field "It's pronounced Romulan."

Even T'pol knew exactly who and what they were even if she didn't share it with the humans.

 

[sturmde]

^ Wait though... they did have audio communication from the Romulan Star Empire: she could certainly know how to pronounce "Romulan", she just wouldn't get the point of their ears!

 

[BrotherBenny]

Spock was probably unaware that numerous people had seen Romulans before (see TGTMD) but were sworn to secrecy or killed.

 

[ChristopherPike]

They could've bent all those canon rules about no-one ever seeing a Romulan very easily. They have undercover agents on Vulcan (possibly other worlds that eventually become human allies). They have a slave race, which Nemesis went into absolutely no detail whatsoever. They now also have unmanned drone ships too.

 

[Jax]

Season 5 sounds is would of been even better than season 4 and while the BORG episode sounds cool, probably not a good idea cause the queen being human and the BORG not assimilated Earth there and then would of been a major plot hole.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Actually there's another episode missing from that Memory Alpha's S5 page. I recall reading in Titan's ST Magazine about a prequel to TOS: The Changeling, with the NX-01 encountering Tan Ru.

 

[HRHTheKING]

Thankfully it was cancelled before Coto made things even worse.