What would Ground WarFare look like in the 24th Century and beyond?
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So basic body armor vests like modern day Chest Rigs with Plates inside, but expanded upon for more coverage.
Don't forget the circa 1900 leather football helmets...
The vest don't look like it provides much physical protection except for chest organs and crouch. I assume the electronic device seen on the vest probably has some sort of force field to help deflect physical and energy attacks. (Or it keeps track of how many times the wearer was shot.)
I'm sure they can easily make transforming full body Armored Combat Suits if they wanted to.Don't forget the circa 1900 leather football helmets...
The vest don't look like it provides much physical protection except for chest organs and crouch. I assume the electronic device seen on the vest probably has some sort of force field to help deflect physical and energy attacks. (Or it keeps track of how many times the wearer was shot.)
Especially with Replicator & Transporter technology.
Take a page out of various Tokusatsu heroes like "Space Sheriff Gavan" & "Tokusou Sentai Dekaranger"
And transform into your armor.
I always find ground warfare silly. It’s not just a matter of being able to nuke a stronghold from orbit, but you can probably target a phaser blast to a single person from orbit, and we have seen them stunning whole city blocks from orbit.
The arenas or war will be different in the future. Probably the moment you take a planet’s fleet, the ground surrenders.
And if you’re got a hard-on for floating tanks, why not make it a shuttle — that can float there, go orbital, or under water?
The arenas or war will be different in the future. Probably the moment you take a planet’s fleet, the ground surrenders.
And if you’re got a hard-on for floating tanks, why not make it a shuttle — that can float there, go orbital, or under water?
If you're StarFleet and not the "Nuke Them into Submission" types.
Ergo not obliterating buildings just to get rid of an enemy combatant.
Let's say that the enemy combatants have hostages / enemy civilians.
Then you have to send in the ground troops and go room clearing in CQB/CQC situations.
We've seen modern day enemies that refuse to give up.
Vietnam
Afghanistan
Insurgent Guerilla warfare is still a thing.
I've always agreed on that sentiment for floating tanks, just use a Shuttle.
It'll do multi-role duty as a Orbital / Stellar Transport craft
APC (Armored Personnel Carrier)
Can transport you in atmosphere
Go Underwater as "Tom Paris" demonstrated
At that point if you're intent on having ridiculous fire power on land, use a different platform =D.
You can clear individual buildings from orbit, or at the very least, a shuttle in the sky. Phasers shoot at light speed and torpedoes faster.
Sensors that can tell you how much dust there is on a rifle on the mantle, transporters that can beem its owner into a brig, phasers that can kill or slice or stun individuals or city blocks in an instant.
Where there are transport inhibitors and sensor ghosts, you send one of those headhunter drones that nearly killed Quark to kill the terrorist, or one of those cloaked mines to scope out everyone’s position visually, then you cut them down from orbit without disturbing the baby in the other room.
You only need ground troops as security/informational forces to interact with the locals after the hard part is done. If that. Maybe the Sheliak say this is the mew law on this planet, follow it and you’ll never see us. Break it...and you’ll never see us.
I wouldn't try these tactics on the Klingons.
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Basically send in drones to clear rooms and capture enemy combatants.
Like in Star Trek: Insurrection where they used drones with transporter tags to beam targets into jail.
Modify a torpedo to carry a bunch of pattern enhancers, deploy them around the building, beam everyone out and filter out weapons. That's assuming they even have a transporter inhibitor. It might even be possible to beam the enhancers into place if the opponents don't have transporter scramblers. Stun grenades could be used, or the source of interference could be targeted directly if it works like ECM.
Or pull a ferengi transporter trick, beam in everybody naked with nothing on them =D
Filter out for "Suicide Bombers" with bombs inside their bodies of course.
There's that episode with the fish face people, and Diana's mother detected the bomb in their clothing while the transporter didn't. So beaming them in naked might be a good idea.
The same energy beam that can fire down from orbit, can fire up from the surface.
Can a starship possibly equal the power of a ground based weapon? How many photon torpedoes can be scattered across the area of a planet the size of Earth? Sensors and tractor beams and etc. what can a starship possibly have that a planet can't have more of?
What can MACOs or Marines do against a military force that enjoys the full support of the majority of the planet's civilian population? Civilians who use their "cell-phones" to inform on your forces every move.
Very true, if the planet is well entrenched, it would take a veritable Fleet & several armies to deal with it.
Seeing modern peer to peer conflict...infantry and second gen tanks, maybe even third, are walking targets. IEDs, Drones, cruise missiles wipe the floor with them. A more mechanized peer might augment this with systems and vehicle protection/mechanization like the Israelis, but seeing unarmored, untech'd infantry in the 24th century, be it Klingon, Cardassian, Federation, or other is more and more jarring.
A infantryman by then should basically be a walking tank. Think more Pre-War PA forces, from Fallout, and that's a good go-to. Even just having an exosuit to make your punches stronger, nearly unlimited marching range, 200KG equipment, some armor, shield generators. Nothing that killed by a orc with a damn musket.
A infantryman by then should basically be a walking tank. Think more Pre-War PA forces, from Fallout, and that's a good go-to. Even just having an exosuit to make your punches stronger, nearly unlimited marching range, 200KG equipment, some armor, shield generators. Nothing that killed by a orc with a damn musket.
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Don't forget modern mechanized forces like Tanks have Anti-Personnel systems + Active Protection Systems.
I wouldn't be surprised if 24th century ground vehicles of any sort would have them built in by default.
Anti-Personnel Systems + APS to shoot down incoming projectiles / blasts.
Don't forget large amounts of BiPaB's wearing Power Armor + controlling entire squads of drones for cover fire.
I wouldn't be surprised if 24th century ground vehicles of any sort would have them built in by default.
Anti-Personnel Systems + APS to shoot down incoming projectiles / blasts.
Don't forget large amounts of BiPaB's wearing Power Armor + controlling entire squads of drones for cover fire.
It’s not a good idea to bring the fight to the surface. Aside from making thousands of ground targets 24th Century Nuke-able that will destroy everything around the target while it’s getting to the target, if a planet has super powerful ground support, the attacking fleet needs only penetrate the weakest part of its shield (if it even has one) and send through a mantle bomb to explode open the planetary crust and change everything on the surface. (Think the super-volcano under Old Faithful...x47.)
Or drop a planet’s moon on it. Here comes Luna! “I can see Lake Armstrong really clearly now...”
Or nova its sun. Especially if the whole system, while valuable, is more trouble than it’s worth.
I think planets are better served as villages near a fort. If you take the fort, you have the village. Keep the fight in space away from anything as fragile and sitting duck as bags of dust planets.
Or drop a planet’s moon on it. Here comes Luna! “I can see Lake Armstrong really clearly now...”
Or nova its sun. Especially if the whole system, while valuable, is more trouble than it’s worth.
I think planets are better served as villages near a fort. If you take the fort, you have the village. Keep the fight in space away from anything as fragile and sitting duck as bags of dust planets.
UFP / StarFleet likes preserving planets, they aren't villainous to destroy such wonderful resources like planets
Only monsterous folks would waste entire planets like that just to get rid of people.
A planet has countless resources in the form of matter / energy / cultural knowledge / scientific knowledge.
I doubt somebody would put that much armament on a tank.
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