What would be an appropriate response by the Romulans
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I doubt the Romulans would care.
Hell, Vreenak was probably not even missed all that much. Most Romulan political and military leaders were no doubt happy to get him out of the way, and couldn't give two shits how it was done.
Besides, Romulans are themselves extremely skilled at deception, so tey'd be rather hypocritical to cry foul when it's used against them.
And I also doubt that anyone else would care either. The Dominion was such a dangerous enemy that it really doesn't matter WHY any given interstellar power joins the fight agains them. The more allies who oppose the Dominion, the better, and to hell with reasons.
Hell, Vreenak was probably not even missed all that much. Most Romulan political and military leaders were no doubt happy to get him out of the way, and couldn't give two shits how it was done.
Besides, Romulans are themselves extremely skilled at deception, so tey'd be rather hypocritical to cry foul when it's used against them.
And I also doubt that anyone else would care either. The Dominion was such a dangerous enemy that it really doesn't matter WHY any given interstellar power joins the fight agains them. The more allies who oppose the Dominion, the better, and to hell with reasons.
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I think that in retrospect, the Romulans are smart enough to know that, had the Dominion prevailed over the Federation, eventually they would have been toast, too, so that ultimately, joining the Klingon-Federation alliance at that moment was the correct decision, regardless of whether it was arrived at by deceit.
That's not to say they wouldn't have an axe to grind with the Federation about that in the aftermath, even if they do that kind of stuff themselves all the time. After all, it's one of the proclaimed values of the Federation to be not deceitful in their dealing with other interstellar powers.
That's not to say they wouldn't have an axe to grind with the Federation about that in the aftermath, even if they do that kind of stuff themselves all the time. After all, it's one of the proclaimed values of the Federation to be not deceitful in their dealing with other interstellar powers.
Just simply said.. "Well Played".
Then continue to scheme of there own as they always have.
Then continue to scheme of there own as they always have.
I think the only appropriate response to a deception on this magnitude which cost so many Romulan lives is to make Romulan Ale illegal again.
Check mate, I guess.
Then again, Sisko has an easy out: just blame Garak.
It has the advantage of being true...
Not really. Garak did what Sisko needed to do but couldn't do himself. Blaming Garak would be untrue and ungrateful, he was a huge help not only in Moonlight but breaking Cardassian codes and being an unofficial go-between from DS9 to Cardassia.
The Klingons won't do anything. Sisko and Worf and just go drink some bloodwine with Martok and point out that the Romulans were a huge help.
But the fact remains, Sisko had nothing to do with Vreenak's death. That really was all on Garak. In fact I seem to remember Sisko being some kind of pissed when he found out about it.
I mean, if the Romulans aren't happy for being tricked into joining the war, THAT I can understand. But if it's just Vreenak, then Sisko's in the clear.
That being said, I gotta go back to what I just said about the Romulan government: since they routinely engage in lies and deceit whenever it suits them - and for much more nefarious reasons - they'd have some nerve bitching about Sisko doing the same thing.
I think @valkyrie013 has it right. The Romulans wouldn't be mad about Sisko's actions here - they'd approve.
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Vreenak's death was essential for the deception to succeed. Even Sisko agreed with that after he was done throwing punches like an angry toddler. But Sisko wouldn't have done it. His sense of honor might allow the deception, but not an assassination. So Garak had to.
Vreenak's son would have come to DS9 to seek vengeance from the Sisko by throwing Jake out on airlock. Except it was actually Odo in disguise so Vreenak's son would have screamed "IT'S A FORGERY!"
That's the entire thread right there.
I think a lot would depend on when and how the Romulans learned this, and with regards to the Klingons and Bajorans and such, a lot would in turn depend on how the Romulans reacted.
I have a thought on this that could even tie into DISCOVERY.
I think the Romulans would actually nod their head in amazement that the Federation actually pulled this off because it was such a Romulan move. They would have, at the same time, have great respect and be supremely angry. However, the respect would be great enough that the anger would subside a bit. And because they no longer have an empire or a homeworld... plus, Starfleet did try to help them evacuate, spearheaded by Picard.
Now, this is the part I think could tie into DISCOVERY.
A Vulcan officer finds out, somehow, about the events Sisko and Garak did. This officer lets other Vulcans know, very high up ones. The Vulcan High Council is not happy that such a deception was sanctioned by the Federation. Coupled with their feelings about dilithium and the Burn, it leads them to simply secede from the Federation entirely, as it goes against all their principles.
They also inform the Romulans about the deception. They feel as betrayed by the Federation as the Romulans do. (Remember, Vulcans are VERY passionate people. They simply hide it better than everyone else.) Along with all the stuff Spock's underground was doing over the centuries, this leads to the two people reuniting and living together on Vulcan, now renamed Ni'Var.
I think the Romulans would actually nod their head in amazement that the Federation actually pulled this off because it was such a Romulan move. They would have, at the same time, have great respect and be supremely angry. However, the respect would be great enough that the anger would subside a bit. And because they no longer have an empire or a homeworld... plus, Starfleet did try to help them evacuate, spearheaded by Picard.
Now, this is the part I think could tie into DISCOVERY.
A Vulcan officer finds out, somehow, about the events Sisko and Garak did. This officer lets other Vulcans know, very high up ones. The Vulcan High Council is not happy that such a deception was sanctioned by the Federation. Coupled with their feelings about dilithium and the Burn, it leads them to simply secede from the Federation entirely, as it goes against all their principles.
They also inform the Romulans about the deception. They feel as betrayed by the Federation as the Romulans do. (Remember, Vulcans are VERY passionate people. They simply hide it better than everyone else.) Along with all the stuff Spock's underground was doing over the centuries, this leads to the two people reuniting and living together on Vulcan, now renamed Ni'Var.
I think they would rise one eyebrow that their asses got whooped at their own game. Remember when they tried to invade Vulcan in some old jalopies? Remember when they kept attacking Klingon colonies and only succeeded at driving the Feds and Klingons together? Remember when they got absolutely nothing done in the Klingon Civil War and did nothing with Sela? And then one lone Starfleet officer and his Cardassian tailor went and pulled them into a devastating war.
And then another human, albeit a clone who grew up in a mine, successfully pulled a coup and murderised their entire leadership. Humans must be Romulan kryptonite.
And then another human, albeit a clone who grew up in a mine, successfully pulled a coup and murderised their entire leadership. Humans must be Romulan kryptonite.
Hollow Men.
I'm not so sure. It might well be that Sisko is still diplomatically (even if not actually) responsible for Vreenak's death, since the entire operation ran under his command, and he did not define clear limits as to what Garak could and could not do.
Compare it to politics, where a minister of a department sometimes has to take formal responsibility and step down for a mistake some of their underlings or predecessors made. It's even entirely possible that that politician honestly had no knowledge of that mistake before it was brought up.
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