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What would an Enterprise Prequel be like?

Liking a lot of what I read here. I could see an ENT-prequel series being a good place to have the Daedalus class as the hero ship. Maybe a young Henry Archer could've been onboard.

I was also thinking of the Nausicaans and Kzinti as antagonists. I could also see some forerunner to Terra Prime being antagonists. Maybe they would be adherents of Colonel Green.
 
It would depend on how immediately after First Contact our story begins. If we use "real time", say 27 years since Zefram Cochrane's historic "Warp One Test Flight", we would still have a "wild west" environment, with a mix of The Expanse and Cowboy Bebop. You would definitely have the push to explore nearby space, starting with the journey to Alpha Centauri, Earth's first colony outside of the Sol Star System. You can include Jonathan Archer's father (or grandfather) as a character in the film, since 27 years from the day Earth broke the Warp-1 barrier would be the year 2090, supposedly the era where Earth faces its first challenge: the Kzinti. Exactly when, I can't find, but both Memory Beta and Alpha states that the conflict with this alien species occurred AFTER first contact with the Vulcans.
 
  • Colonizing Alpha Centauri - which may or may not have an indigenous humanoid species living on the planet - would be a priority. <...>
  • No Earth ship goes faster than warp 2; sublight extremely common, there would be no anti-gravity, and ships/space stations would rely on cryogenics. Vulcan ships go to warp 7 and are the fastest ships in the known galaxy. Combined Human-Vulcan crews are very short lived. Humans would at least try to steal Vulcan state secrets to gain a level playing field in space exploration.
Warp 2 (8c) would make Alpha Centauri about as distant from Earth as Mars is today in terms of travel time (around 6.5 months, and that's assuming warp 2 can be held the entire time on those primitive vessels, which I'd doubt). Therefore colonizing Alpha Centauri might still be a tall order in that era, even though other aspects of space travel and space habitats might have been notably improved compared to today's tech.
 
Therefore colonizing Alpha Centauri might still be a tall order in that era, even though other aspects of space travel and space habitats might have been notably improved compared to today's tech.

Which might be one of the reasons why one of those early colony ships was called the Conestoga.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/SS_Conestoga

Launched from Earth in 2069, only six years after Zefram Cochrane's warp flight, the transport's mission was the colonization of Terra Nova, a nearby class M planet. The Conestoga was capable of carrying approximately two-hundred colonists, and was equipped for long-term travel. The Conestoga was commanded by Captain Mitchell.

The Conestoga took nine years, traveling just above warp 1, to reach Terra Nova. Once the Conestoga reached the planet, in 2078, its modules were dismantled to form the colony's initial structures and buildings. (ENT: "Terra Nova")
 
Which might be one of the reasons why one of those early colony ships was called the Conestoga.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/SS_Conestoga

Launched from Earth in 2069, only six years after Zefram Cochrane's warp flight, the transport's mission was the colonization of Terra Nova, a nearby class M planet. The Conestoga was capable of carrying approximately two-hundred colonists, and was equipped for long-term travel. The Conestoga was commanded by Captain Mitchell.

The Conestoga took nine years, traveling just above warp 1, to reach Terra Nova. Once the Conestoga reached the planet, in 2078, its modules were dismantled to form the colony's initial structures and buildings. (ENT: "Terra Nova")

I must say, I've always found it highly improbable that they could have built such a massive vessel capable of continuous warp for 9 years only 6 years after the very first experimental warp engine was tested.

Then again, of course, we don't really know anything about warp technology, how easily it could have been improved upon in the early days, or of the state of other technologies in that era.
 
I must say, I've always found it highly improbable that they could have built such a massive vessel capable of continuous warp for 9 years only 6 years after the very first experimental warp engine was tested.

Then again, of course, we don't really know anything about warp technology, how easily it could have been improved upon in the early days, or of the state of other technologies in that era.
This is just my head canon (and I might have stolen this from someone else) but I feel like some of the warp drive stuff post-First Contact was built on stuff that was designed or being built pre-WW3. That the hard part was building the warp drive and generating a warp field but you could strap it to anything basically. I always wanted to make the Bonaventure from the Chronology part of the backstory, so in my mind that was the original test vehicle the US was going to use, and that there were other space agencies in other nations developing or designing other space vehicles. Then WW3 happens so Cochrane uses the Bonaventure plans to make Phoenix and the space agencies all group together to make ships like Connestoga and Valiant. This is just a work in progress theory so it probably has a bunch of holes.
 
Exactly when, I can't find, but both Memory Beta and Alpha states that the conflict with this alien species occurred AFTER first contact with the Vulcans.

According to Sulu from TAS, if taken literally to be 200 years ago, then the conflict between humans and the Kzinti ends in 2269 or 2070. Which means the conflict takes place in the 2060s, if warp drive was central to defeating them all four times. The Treaty of Sirius was then signed, which forbade Kzinti from weapons on their vessels beside police vessels.

Meaning a conflict with the Kzinti circa early 2200s would be about
a) humans trying to enforce the Treaty of Sirius without the help of Vulcan
b) Kzinti’s intense dislike for Vulcans and all females in general
c) Kzinti feasting on humans
d) Vulcans having to point out to humans that there are far more dangerous threats than the Kzinti out in deep space, and that in itself being a major struggle on the part of Vulcans
 
"Aw, c'mon! Let us go into space!"
"No."
"Awww... you're no fun."

I see it going seven seasons.

They’d have to add drama and create certain Vulcan characters that could turn the dickishness up to 12 beyond anything seen in ENT. Destroy Earth ships that veer from courses charted by Vulcans, or destroy unknown hostiles such as the Klingons or Tholians or Orions before first contact can happen. Or even view it as logical to kill humans or abuse humans. Maybe infect planets with viruses or redirect comets to create natural disasters or collapse interstellar governments on various planets just so that humans don’t visit certain worlds. Actively sabotage probes from UESPA and prevent the Warp Five Program from getting off the ground.

On the flip side, the humans fascists would get spaced the most and would be the red shirts of the series, but could also add commentary on how they are ironically promoting a unified Earth over the more nationalist and democratic humans despite being otherwise terrible human beings. And the first space boomers actively fight both Earth and Martian government over what they can and cannot do in their jobs. Maybe there are issues with alcoholics or drug addict, or they suffer from PTSD. Or they are attaching to a technology that treats bi-polar disorder and they don’t trust the new treatments. Or they are a sex addict and are only fixated on aliens and needs help seeing them as more than an object.

A pre-ENT show is ripe for drama. But same is said for one of the main characters of ENT, Travis Mayweather, and look what happened.
 
I would revamp the hell out of the Ent lore, to be fair. The average Warp Speed would be more Warp 2.5 and 3 than 1 and 2, at least for interstellar stuff, which is what's really limited. Solsys isn't going to have oddities like 'The first real Mars colonies are from the 2113 era', nah. You have advanced, space faring, post World War nations on a singed rock of 5-6 billions, there's going to be activity.

Ships would be of the XCV variety - pods on poles and rings, with some nacelle variants taking out the ring, and the sphere-on-a-can will be coming into fruition, but not like the Daedalus, more like the fan Icarus class. Lets have the vertical deck orientation in as well than the horizontal cruise liner decks. Lasers and fusion missiles and some slugthrowers being the rage for combat.

The Solar System would be a big point of activity, along with the localest stars: Bernards and Alpha Centauri. Lots of warping into the Mercury mines, Lunar colonies, Martian colonies, Asteroid Mines, scientific outposts floating in the Atmosphere of Venus. Going to declare Impulse to be Fusion power once and for all, and this has the added benefit of opening up the gas giants to mining and science for fuel and engine designs, and a patrol net in the outer system past Pluto and Eris that many dread being assigned to, but they find the odd alien wreck out there or old World War III remnant. Lots of esoteric and fringe Human colonies too were set up out there, so you can shove in Cultists, Human Body Warpers, Isolationists, Revanchists and goons of the week under every ice moon and hollowed out rock as need be. The Solar System itself is huge and this can provide near endless social and war tales.

Alpha Centauri is going to be huge. It's three stars in two nearby with maybe a few debris fields and planets, with contests there between a nascent United Earth (functioning more like a Supranational Union than a WorldGov, but getting there) against the Kzinti. It's months away, and humanity sees it as a dowry gift of sorts from the galaxy, but mostly just owns Proxima Centauri while the Kzin are colonizing Alpha or Beta. The Kzin are also a younger species, maybe emerging from their own post-war conflict and are taking the route humanity could had, by being more violent and expansionist.

Bernards is a red dwarf 6 LY away and possibly has a dead planet around it, but I could see it being the refuge of a machine species using it solely for energy on their virtual paradise inside computer banks and under solar farms absolutely blanketing their world, and of interest for that silicon and energy angle. They have the drones and the droids you'd expect to defend themselves from any intruders, but also aloof and elyisian enough to not pursue grand reprisal or conquest from human interlopers/explorers, but there's also plenty of people on Earth who see that and think humanity would be better off emulating that and so the probes continue and conflict rises.

The Vulcans are keeping their hands off. They didn't really help Earth since Earth is a group of sovereign nations and the Western ones got their hands on the Vulcans anyway first, and are snobby thereof. Maybe a vulcan faction saw some kindred in Econ but that probably led to a big debacle. In the background they may be keeping other species away, but only because Earth was already space faring before and during World War 3 (with space battles and battles on the other planets in the system and upmanship between NATO and ECON and so on) and then just slapped nacelles to their fusion reactor ships in a flurry of activity, which started the first Kzin War and so on - that Humanity gruelingly 'won' even if it cost dozens of ships and a few years and massacres of Kzin; this really unnerved the Vulcans, and they want to avoid more conflict just for the sake of peace alone.

Some [Vulcans] say they should warp in and just force Humanity to sit down by force if need be, but the factions of Humans they're mostly dealing with are technically more Scientific, Democratic, and Diplomatic than not, so Vulcan hopes to steer humanity to become members of the interstellar community with commerce, exchanges and programs, which again to United Earth is part of their mission anyway.

A lot of soul searching in regards to colonization, colony rights - both domestic and foreign, what the mission of United Earth is, and its values - Secularism, Humanism, Democracy, Scientific rationalism, Diplomacy - while also having emerged from beating every tinpot warlord down in a grand Post-Atomic Horror clean up up to the 2090s and engaged in interstellar wars and seemingly, with no one but the Vulcans around, that could trash them. There's the debate between 'getting a backyard', 'fixing Earth' (lots of Domestic EcoTerrorism and movements there - maybe a arc to stop a redirected , escorted asteroid from wiping out Mars from one, perhaps) and 'lets do what Bernards did'; there's possibly a big Pro-Vulcan group that wants us to cool down and defer to them and their knowledge.
 
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But why make the Vulcans even bigger dicks than they were in ENT? Wasn't ENT bad enough with that?

Would it really hurt to show the slide toward being the jerks they were in ENT?

The context is there for a Romulan and Vulcan Cold War happening under the nose of humans. As is the context of Earth recovering from a global war at a much more rapid pace than the Vulcans ever did. As is Vulcan, being a neo-colonial power with Coridan & the very corrupt Agaron, being at war with Andoria, which itself does not get along with the Tellarites, who themselves don’t approve of the bilateral trade between Coridanites and Orions; species that probably support criminal faction on Agaron for various reasons. And that Vulcans are aware than not every species has a non-interference policy with pre-warp civilizations.

It's actually quite logical (pun intended) to think that a few Vulcans might get scared and decide to do some not so good things. It was already established in ENT that there were Vulcans, as rogue agents, trading transgenic weapons with Axanar that were apprehended by T’Pol. It’s also known that one of the Vulcan ambassadors, V’Lar, was accused of corruption by Mazarites. Why not explore a few Vulcans that go a step further and do not represent the best that Vulcan has to offer? Allowing viewers to see it from the Vulcan perspective, which might just boil down to them being aware they are doing bad things, but still find it logical to do in order to either protect themselves or Earth and do not want the humans to see the things they do. Allowing humans and other Vulcans to call them out on their skewed logic.

Then there are the Romulans, while sabotaging Earth’s efforts, also trying to show humans the light, and at times, expose the dishonorable Vulcans. Which can then, opposite of Romulan intent, pull Earth and Vulcans closer together and encourages more cooperation and trust.

My vision is that the first couples of seasons would be part Top Gun, part The West Wing, part La Femme Nikita, and part The Expanse. This would allow for a lot of drama in the first couple of seasons, in order to draw in viewers. The later seasons would be more The Right Stuff, with humans getting more leeway to develop their Warp 5 Program, starships and Starfleet, while Vulcans are overseeing and adapt to a changing and more cooperative Earth. But still are hesitant about humans exploring deep space, and don't feel they are ready yet. resulting in more roadblocks along the way. Which frustrates the humans, who have made great efforts to be a better species over the course of the series, and don't see what the Vulcans see. The tone of the show would change as the seasons progress.

But if you still disagree with my approach, how would you write the Vulcans in a pre-ENT show?

Do you want the humans to be even bigger hicks than in they were in ENT too?

No. But I also suggested that in my ideas for a show, there would be neo-fascists turning into an Earth First movement, even though they'd be the redshirts of the show. And the general behaviour of Earth First individuals would requires some level of dickishness on their part, since that clearly means they do not want to be cooperating with Vulcans, and do not want to be part of a larger galactic community. And would be another thing humans and Vulcans could jointly called out.
 
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But if you still disagree with my approach, how would you write the Vulcans in a pre-ENT show?

I wouldn't, because I don't think I'd like a pre-ENT show, nor do I think it's a good idea. Same with when people propose a Eugenics War series or such.

I mean i haven't seen a lot of your examples (really I've only seen the Expanse, and yeah, that's what early ENT should have been closer to, but that ship has sailed), but from your description....a political/military thriller set on Earth is just not what I watch Star Trek for.
As for the Vulcans in particular. I'm not saying every Vulcan character has to be a hero or positive. Just...the pretty heavy-handed, poorly written, poorly executed antagonism between Archer and the Vulcans in particular (where they made up entire new, never before mentioned reasons why T'Pol would be repulsed by humans) was one of the worst aspects of a bad show. So when I someone proposing "let's make the Vulcans even more antagonist than they were on ENT"...that just doesn't sound good to me.

I think some of your ideas very much have potential....if they ever decided to ret-con ENT out of existence and remake the show, but a show set before ENT and set primarily on Earth...no. That's just not something I'd like to see
 
But why make the Vulcans even bigger dicks than they were in ENT? Wasn't ENT bad enough with that?
Do you want the humans to be even bigger hicks than in they were in ENT too?

I just don't understand this resistance that Vulcans are incapable of being bigots, or, at very least, prejudice towards humans, especially when humans are only a few decades from destroying themselves. The fact that the Vulcans decided to guide humans, in spite of their prejudice, says much. It's only after years of trust that Vulcans would respect humans, after proving themselves more than capable of standing on their own.
 
I just don't understand this resistance that Vulcans are incapable of being bigots, or, at very least, prejudice towards humans, especially when humans are only a few decades from destroying themselves. The fact that the Vulcans decided to guide humans, in spite of their prejudice, says much. It's only after years of trust that Vulcans would respect humans, after proving themselves more than capable of standing on their own.
Please read my post just above yours.

I am not against Vulcan characters being portrayed shady or antagonistic or wahtever.

I just think the whole thing on ENT was poorly written, poorly executed, etc. So "let's do what ENT did, but even moar!" doesn't sound good to me.
 
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