What We Left Behind - Documentary Update Confirms *Some* HD Remastering

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by Eric Cheung, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. The Nth Doctor

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    My name is in the credits...and that one poster they sent us.
     
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  2. DonIago

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    Oh yeah, I should really put that poster up at some point.

    Though if it's a choice I'll stick with the one that ISB signed for me.
     
  3. JamesRye

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    From the VFX supervisor who did the remastered VFX work for What we left behind:

    The 1997 original sequence and the new, HD version re-created for the 2019 DS9 documentary "What We Left Behind" by myself and artist David Clark.
    For this update, we used brand new models of the Defiant and Cardassian Galor. Other models had new texturing. All the lighting was redone as well as new pyro, laser FX and a new starfield.
    However all the animation files are the originals, so the motions and camera work are an exact match to 1997 (other than the slight recomposing for widescreen).
    The new sequence uses modern compositing techniques while each shot of the original was done as one render, all in-camera (can you believe it?). Everything was done in Newtek's Lightwave 3D.
    This was the first big episode of DS9 that used CGI and marked the show's sudden transition from motion control and traditional VFX. The first half of the battle was done by Digital Muse, and the second half (what you see here) was by Foundation Imaging.
    We had two weeks to build EVERY MODEL in the Star Trek library and two weeks to do all the shots. It wasn't close to enough time and it's a miracle the work came out as good as it did.
    That being said, it was a thrill to go back and finish the scene properly. If fans are vocal enough we'd love to remaster all of DS9 and Voyager. Let CBS know you want to see HD version of ALL Trek shows on CBS All Access!
    Adam Mojo Lebowitz


    https://player.vimeo.com/video/3118...WGjQl5p2u2Hlss-RPEP3dyYjhkoOQNBXIuiD9fXRsSMQo

    On his Facebook page, he argues that the show could be remastered for the same cost as 4-5 episodes of Picard or Discovery. I know what I'd rather watch!

    https://www.facebook.com/Adam.Mojo.Lebowitz
     
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  4. USS Firefly

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    Damn that new battle scene looks great!
     
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  5. 1987SpaceGuy

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    Oh my...ViacomCBS what are you waiting for!
    I'd preorder the full remastered DS9 series as BluRay or digital download immediately and happily have less/no further PIC episodes.
     
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    I would too, not to mention my DVD discs are falling apart. Also, I just bought a new 4K TV (And 4K Apple TV) and I really want my favorite Trek series to look great on it.
     
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  7. Tosk

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    I've said it before, but I'll pony up $500 up front right now for the whole run of DS9 remastered. And I'd probably go higher if need be. :)
     
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  8. Reyman

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    I wonder if select episodes and bits of DS9 could be edited together to produce a series that roughly tells the same story, a bit like what the Breaking Bad 'movie' did, but maybe 3 seasons of 12 episodes instead.

    I know it wouldn't be the same and some of the best moments of the show would be lost, but the shorter format would be much more in line with modern streaming habits and it should cost far less for it to be done in HD.
     
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    I'm ready to give if CBS Paramount ask for our help!
     
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  10. Jonesy

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    Yes, probably at or around the 12 million it cost TNG. But if there was money to be gained from doing so with DS9, it would have happened already. That's the disappointing thing about it all. The sales of the TNG Blu Ray sets were not strong enough for Paramount to go forward with DS9.
     
  11. Phily B

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    The thing with the TNG blu ray, they came out at a horrible time when everything was already moving away from physical media and were completely overpriced. I mean they clearly made money off them and I remember sci-fi in the UK specifically advertising it being shown and then a year or two later, it was on Netflix. I also think DS9 still looks like a good show, the CGI is fine as well and it's not as in dire need of a remaster as TNG. I'd love an HD remake, but they can probably wiat another few years when it'll no doubt be cheaper. They'll do it eventually purely because they can sell it internationally and essentially future proof it.
     
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    I really liked this.

    I'm also irritated because the sequel season sounds awesome.

    I'm imagining getting the band back together and doing it as STAR TREK: KIRA.

    :)
     
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    TNG was a steal at its prices, which were far lower than what MSRP was saying. I'd pay the full $120/season given what's going into it. I was floored TNG had such great deals right out of the gate.)
     
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    The documentary is already streaming free, with ads, on IMDb TV. That's in the U.S. — I don't know about the rest of the world.

    As I was watching the doc again, I was wondering about the feasibility of doing a sales model similar to classic "Doctor Who" on VHS/DVD or "Star Trek" on VHS — basically on a per-story basis. Generally, I'd say that this model sucks compared to buying entire seasons, but it may be easier to remaster a "best of" series of episodes (especially bottle episodes with limited SFX).

    Many of what fans consider to the best of "Deep Space Nine" don't really feature a lot of SFX (e.g. "Duet," "Past Tense," most of "The Visitor" and "Far Beyond the Stars"). Remastering the top 20 or so would be better than nothing at this point.
     
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  16. Tosk

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    Personally, I want all or nothing. It's easy to watch the entire show at the same quality level. Having just a handful look different would be a real bummer to me.
     
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    I'm with Tosk on this one.

    Having just a handful done would just be a reminder of what could be and us not. And frankly... a tease.
     
  18. Michael

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    Trekcore has uploaded screenshots of all the remastered Deep Space Nine footage and I just spent half an hour drooling all over them. By the prophets, the show looks SO gorgeous in high-definition!

    Some of the live action footage is still somewhat blurry (I guess because it was filmed this way), and to my eyes some of the color timing seems to be a just little off (for example on some of the shots of Kira's uniform, which I don't remember being that red). But the majority of it is eye-poppingly delicious! I'm noticing stuff I feel I never really was able to see before, like the lush detail on Kai Winn's robe, the two-tone nature of Jadzia's spots, the pattern on the Jem'Hadar's uniform or the fact that in some shots you can almost see Kira's latex nose bridge lifting off her forehead. :lol: Some of the costume and make-up work holds up beautifully, I think, like Gul Dukat's face mask or even just the Starfleet uniform.

    And then there's the station itself, which never looked that good before. I mean, look at this. Or this. Or even this!

    :wah: Why can't they give us the whole show in high-definition already?!
     
  19. Reyman

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    There is already the TNG episode (Birthright) which starts out on DS9, so the teasing has already taken place. I'd happily take a couple of dozen DS9 remastered episodes right now.
     
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  20. Tosk

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    It never looked like that because those are CG recreations of the original shots. Not that I'm complaining, it looks great. :)