!!!!!! When baby gazelles could have improved This Ain't The Valentine, you've hit a new low, Bermaga.
What was wrong with "These are the Voyages"
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!!!!!! When baby gazelles could have improved This Ain't The Valentine, you've hit a new low, Bermaga.
Of course it's always possible Archer did invoke baby gazelles, or even worse, a warthog and a singing merekat, and the holosuite programme ended there to preserve his historial reputation.
Either that, or the haters have lost all sense of proportion even beyond their standard obstinacy.
When baby gazelles could have improved This Ain't The Valentine, you've hit a new low, Bermaga.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't have any particular hater agenda - on the contrary, I'm a fan of the show and I would have wanted to have a finale I could love. Unfortunately, they gave us this instead.
For those who haven't seen the entire franchise, I'll wrap this in spoilers. But, isn't that....
Exactly what DS9 did in Rejoined when nobody even raises an eyebrow at the fact that Dax wants to commit to a romantic relationship with another woman?
One episode from a different show which aired about ten years previously and was pretty weaselly in its own way doesn't really tip the balance, to be honest 
Especially given TATV came only a few episodes after Bound which possibly the most hetero-sexist piece of television ever aired.
Especially given TATV came only a few episodes after Bound which possibly the most hetero-sexist piece of television ever aired.
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Yeah, but it's different with women. These days when two girls do some kissy-face, nobody blinks an eye. But have two men do it, and all hell breaks loose. Case in point: compare BSG: Razor, which showed a kiss between Helena Cain and Gina Inviere, and the webisode with Gaeta and Hoshi, which unlike the former, wasn't broadcast on TV and could only be downloaded off the internet.
I for one would have loved, LOVED for Reed to be gay, if only because he gave pretty much every indication that he was NOT, instead of acting like something out of "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."
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Well, personally speaking, it matters to me because whatever attitudes are like in the 24th century (or 22nd), they're not like that now, and I appreciate it when LGB characters aren't rendered either unmentionable or completely non-existent.
But what that really amounts to is that I can imagine my own LGB characters there in the background, and while, yes I can, it's not exactly representation or equality. Thing is, if it's okay to be gay, it should also be okay to occasionally mention it, or to reference your same-sex partner, or to mention your crush on the hot guy in engineering, or to not always assume that the people around you are straight - all things conspicuously absent.
The various series "point out" when a character is sexually straight, so it should be equally obvious (but not more so) when a character is gay.
How many of you who think Reed was gay have ever met any native Brits from Oxford, Cambridge or North London?
He didn't act like a homosexual, he just acted like a poshy Brit. It was just culture gap with the American viewer.
If you want to see blatantly homosexual identity crisis in Star Trek, take a look at every single DS9 episode featuring Garak and Bashir. I'm not on the whole Spock/Kirk bandwagon in the slightest (and by that I mean I don't see a homosexual vibe between them), but on a recent re-watching of DS9 I have been struck by -just- -how- -OBVIOUS- it is! Especially with regard to Garak. I mean you can't say with Garak that he sounds that way because all Cardassians are that way analogously to my "Oxbridge" claim, cuz Dukat's basically a big swingin dick.
I just had a problem with the way they tried to construct the Malcolm character. One day he's soft, one day he's hard, one day he's terrified of dying, the next he's apparently a former Section 31 operative. Inconsistent character writing. Needs to be one way or the other, and if he's going to be a Tactical Officer to begin with, he should've been harder, with rougher edges. More of an irish whiskey-drinking Soccer hooligan and less of a tea-sipping, cricket-playing nancy pants.
He didn't act like a homosexual, he just acted like a poshy Brit. It was just culture gap with the American viewer.
If you want to see blatantly homosexual identity crisis in Star Trek, take a look at every single DS9 episode featuring Garak and Bashir. I'm not on the whole Spock/Kirk bandwagon in the slightest (and by that I mean I don't see a homosexual vibe between them), but on a recent re-watching of DS9 I have been struck by -just- -how- -OBVIOUS- it is! Especially with regard to Garak. I mean you can't say with Garak that he sounds that way because all Cardassians are that way analogously to my "Oxbridge" claim, cuz Dukat's basically a big swingin dick.
I just had a problem with the way they tried to construct the Malcolm character. One day he's soft, one day he's hard, one day he's terrified of dying, the next he's apparently a former Section 31 operative. Inconsistent character writing. Needs to be one way or the other, and if he's going to be a Tactical Officer to begin with, he should've been harder, with rougher edges. More of an irish whiskey-drinking Soccer hooligan and less of a tea-sipping, cricket-playing nancy pants.
Bashir and Garak? Really? I thought everyone assumed that it was Bashir and O'Brien?
John O, I am British. 
I know how British men behave. And behaviour is seldom an indicator anyway - plenty of gay men are "straight-acting", plenty of straight men are very camp. If I thought Reed was gay in canon, it would be down to the intensity and attachment he shows towards other male crewmembers, and not because he does or doesn't like cricket and tea. But that said, it's not actually that I think Reed *is* gay, it's more a might-have-been. I know the possibility was discussed between actor and producers and then rejected - and then his heterosexuality was hammered over our heads with so many references to his finding women attractive it started to feel like protesting too much. Basically, they've been careless and slightly offensive with him from the start, so that's why turning it into a coy joke with this particular character was particularly galling. I suppose it might have been meant to be cute, and a nod to that, but after decades of weaselling around the issue, it didn't come off that way.
I do agree his characterisation was inconsistent, though. I think they were trying to make him a hard-but-smart man with soft edges, but swung too far in either direction sometimes.
I know how British men behave. And behaviour is seldom an indicator anyway - plenty of gay men are "straight-acting", plenty of straight men are very camp. If I thought Reed was gay in canon, it would be down to the intensity and attachment he shows towards other male crewmembers, and not because he does or doesn't like cricket and tea. But that said, it's not actually that I think Reed *is* gay, it's more a might-have-been. I know the possibility was discussed between actor and producers and then rejected - and then his heterosexuality was hammered over our heads with so many references to his finding women attractive it started to feel like protesting too much. Basically, they've been careless and slightly offensive with him from the start, so that's why turning it into a coy joke with this particular character was particularly galling. I suppose it might have been meant to be cute, and a nod to that, but after decades of weaselling around the issue, it didn't come off that way.I do agree his characterisation was inconsistent, though. I think they were trying to make him a hard-but-smart man with soft edges, but swung too far in either direction sometimes.
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Reed was an excellent character. I think he was a product of all male boarding schools and distant parents. Related most to his work, really got a hard on whenever it was time to blow things up, the satisfaction in his voice when he got to do so was sometimes hilarious. As I said in another thread I think he gets stereotyped by US viewers who are quick to judge everything as a result of being British when a lot of it is actually Reed, the Repressed and Hyper Focused, not about his nationality at all. Reed himself makes a mocking comment about stereotypes when he says the crumpets line.
He's just a highly introverted fellow whose comfort zone is his job and his place in starfleet's chain of command. A career soldier. While I don't consider him to be gay he does remind me of a lot of males I have known who while professing heterosexuality actually prefer the company of males and do not connect well with women. If they would just BE gay they might find their lives a whole lot easier, LOL.
I've liked Reed more and more with every ENT viewing. I still wish they had made him a willing member of
He had a lot of trouble getting behind Archer when he didn't think Archer was following chain of command protocols and I could see him being disillusioned with a fractious and messy starfleet and being attracted to an organization that presented him with very high ideals about doing what was necessary. But for whatever reason they didn't (not game enough to fully embrace the grey).
I think Reed is one of the best characters in ENT but you have to pay close attention to him to glean how fascinating he is because he doesn't give much away.
He's just a highly introverted fellow whose comfort zone is his job and his place in starfleet's chain of command. A career soldier. While I don't consider him to be gay he does remind me of a lot of males I have known who while professing heterosexuality actually prefer the company of males and do not connect well with women. If they would just BE gay they might find their lives a whole lot easier, LOL.
I've liked Reed more and more with every ENT viewing. I still wish they had made him a willing member of
Section 31.
I think Reed is one of the best characters in ENT but you have to pay close attention to him to glean how fascinating he is because he doesn't give much away.
Getting back to Bashir and Garak for a bit, they deliberately played it with those ambiguous undertones, with the thought that Garak was trying to seduce Bashir. Whether figuratively or literally is still an open question; Bashir was definitely straight, and more than a little clueless, whereas Garak, being a former deep cover operative of the Obsidian Order, would be whatever he had to be to reach his desired goal. And Bashir made for a very intriguing diversion to his exile on DS9.
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