Sorry for the double-post, but I must ask... why do you suppose the studio wanted it to be one hour?
What was wrong with "These are the Voyages"
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That's a good point.
Is that why they spent all the extra money rebuliding some TNG sets for this episode alone? And commisioning a new 3D model of the 1701-D for the external asteriod shots?
TATV was probably not cheap from a production budget standpoint.
Thanks for this. I've never read any comments by Berman after the fact, and I've always been curious.
I agree with you that Berman (and Braga) must have believed they came up with a good finale. No self-respecting writer (or producer, responsible for a lot of other people's money) sets out to write a clunker story to wrap up a TV franchise. Why would you want to be remembered for that?
Perhaps they didn't ask around beforehand for opinions on whether other people thought well of the concept.
I think it would have been an alright episode had it just been a regular episode airing somewhere in the middle of the season. The idea of one of the other 24th Century crews looking back at a certain adventure that Archer and his crew undertook sounded pretty cool to me.
"These Are the Voyages..." is not the one I would have done, however.
"These Are the Voyages..." is not the one I would have done, however.
Really, if I could go back and fix the fourth season to my liking, I would have just deleted "Bounty" from history, slightly tweaked "These Are The Voyages..." and put it in the removed episode's old spot, then finally created a whole new hour to end the show with.
Fixing season four by erasing an episode from season two... Intriguing.
I'm happy to end ENT with Terra Prime. And so I have done for all rewatchings.
Dude, why the Haterade? He obviously meant "Bound", and with good reason.Fixing season four by erasing an episode from season two... Intriguing.
That obvious, huh? The worst episode of the season (by far) was Daedalus, and this isn't just my opinion...
BTW, "haterade"?
Dude, why the Haterade? He obviously meant "Bound", and with good reason.Fixing season four by erasing an episode from season two... Intriguing.
How about letting the guy who wrote the post speak for what he intended and leave the psychic stuff to the professionals?
Aw shucks. An arrow straight through my heart...OMG, I almost forgot...
HAPPY TATV DAY, Y'ALL!!!
and oh look, if there isn't a credit card bill on the end of it!
"Bounty" vs. "Bound"... yeah. It's that obvious.
And what, never heard of Haterade? It's the official sports drink of the GOP golf circuit!
Aw shucks. An arrow straight through my heart...OMG, I almost forgot...
HAPPY TATV DAY, Y'ALL!!!
and oh look, if there isn't a credit card bill on the end of it!
So that's what that was.
I just finished watching through all of ENT for the first time. TATV wasn't *quite* as bad as I expected considering it's legacy, although I did think the TNG wrapper was pretty contrived. And Trip's death was silly. After all they had been through, especially with the Xindi, and this was the moment Trip chose to sacrifice himself? It didn't feel like they were in that much danger, but Trip had no hesitation blowing himself up. It wasn't a last act of desperation, it wasn't to stop a significant threat, it was just a cheap kill that didn't seem believable.
Terra Prime however, ended beautifully. I actually slightly teared up when Phlox had his moment with Archer saying he felt like he was losing his own child, and then again later when Trip met T'Pol in her room. The episode dealt with the beginnings of the Federation without feeling the need to spell it out like TATV did, and the storyline of xenophobia and the first Vulcan/Human hybrid all went together to form a nice message for a true end to the series, and felt much more relevant to the message of Star Trek in general.
Terra Prime however, ended beautifully. I actually slightly teared up when Phlox had his moment with Archer saying he felt like he was losing his own child, and then again later when Trip met T'Pol in her room. The episode dealt with the beginnings of the Federation without feeling the need to spell it out like TATV did, and the storyline of xenophobia and the first Vulcan/Human hybrid all went together to form a nice message for a true end to the series, and felt much more relevant to the message of Star Trek in general.
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