What was the Kelvin doing in the Prime Universe?

[CaptainPipcard]

Since the Kelvin was there before Nero's incursion, what was it doing in the prime universe?

EDIT: I like how much replies this thread has been getting.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Since the Kelvin was there before Nero's incursion, what was it doing in the prime universe?

It wasn't in the Prime universe.

Nero's ship arrived in that alternate (or real universe, depending on one's viewpoint) to capture Spock Prime before he arrived. Hence, waiting 20 years because they--Nero and his crew--arrived too early...

 

[Cyke101]

Since the Kelvin was there before Nero's incursion, what was it doing in the prime universe?

It wasn't in the Prime universe.

Nero's ship arrived in that alternate (or real universe, depending on one's viewpoint) to capture Spock Prime before he arrived. Hence, waiting 20 years because they--Nero and his crew--arrived too early...

The ship existed in the prime universe. The timelines didn't diverge until Nero's ship popped out of that black hole, and the Kelvin was there. Even www.memory-alpha.org considers the Kelvin as a Prime Universe vessel.

As for what it was doing, probably exploratory missions. I've read theories here that Starfleet could have detected the anomaly and then dispatched the Kelvin to investigate, too.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Since the Kelvin was there before Nero's incursion, what was it doing in the prime universe?

It wasn't in the Prime universe.

Nero's ship arrived in that alternate (or real universe, depending on one's viewpoint) to capture Spock Prime before he arrived. Hence, waiting 20 years because they--Nero and his crew--arrived too early...

The ship existed in the prime universe. The timelines didn't diverge until Nero's ship popped out of that black hole, and the Kelvin was there. Even www.memory-alpha.org considers the Kelvin as a Prime Universe vessel.

As for what it was doing, probably exploratory missions. I've read theories here that Starfleet could have detected the anomaly and then dispatched the Kelvin to investigate, too.

Hmmmm.....

 

[Sci]

I would presume that the U.S.S. Kelvin was exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizations, and boldly going where no men had gone before.

 

[Devon]

I would presume that the U.S.S. Kelvin was exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizations, and boldly going where no men had gone before.

You mean no real men, until Captain Robau came along.

 

[chineserapper05]

i was thinking it could be a colony ship.. 800 people does seem a rather high number. perhaps they were on the way to a planet and just ran across the anomaly.

 

[Sci]

I would presume that the U.S.S. Kelvin was exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizations, and boldly going where no men had gone before.

You mean no real men, until Captain Robau came along.

I actually meant no men, period.

No doubt no real men were ever able to go there again after Captain Robau planted his flag and impregnated his women there, of course.

 

[Sector 7]

Since the Kelvin was there before Nero's incursion, what was it doing in the prime universe?

They were looking for a Starbuck's. Caffeine makes it easier to handle the lens flares.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Well if Jimmy boy was supposed to be born on Earth they may have been heading in that general direction.

 

[MisterPL]

Even www.memory-alpha.org considers the Kelvin as a Prime Universe vessel.

Well obviously that can't be since the Kelvin's registry begins with a zero.

 

[CaptainPipcard]

And if the Kelvin was in the Prime Universe, the viewscreens, consoles, and weapons must have took a step backward between 2233 and 2265.

Like we see the Kelvin firing tons of lasers/phasers. (rapid-fire)
http://trekmovie.com/images/st09/intelkelvinphasers.jpg

Then we see the TOS Enterprise firing like, one phaser.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/49/Enterprise_fires_on_planet.jpg

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What happened to these turrets in the prime universe?

 

[gastrof]

Well if Jimmy boy was supposed to be born on Earth they may have been heading in that general direction.

Not likely, unless Nero arrived VERY near Earth (don't think so- the Klingons appeared too quickly), or the attack caused Mrs. Kirk to go into labor early.

Unless this was an early labor, Kirk apparently was born on the Kelvin, originally.

 

[cultcross]

And if the Kelvin was in the Prime Universe, the viewscreens, consoles, and weapons must have took a step backward between 2233 and 2265.

Like we see the Kelvin firing tons of lasers/phasers. (rapid-fire)
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Then we see the TOS Enterprise firing like, one phaser.
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What happened to these turrets in the prime universe?

Cheaper effects shots? Or, if you're desperate for an in-universe explanation, more powerful phasers? A design change from many small cannons to one or two large ones?

 

[M'Sharak]

And if the Kelvin was in the Prime Universe, the viewscreens, consoles, and weapons must have took a step backward between 2233 and 2265.

Like we see the Kelvin firing tons of lasers/phasers. (rapid-fire)
http://trekmovie.com/images/st09/intelkelvinphasers.jpg

Then we see the TOS Enterprise firing like, one phaser.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/49/Enterprise_fires_on_planet.jpg

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What happened to these turrets in the prime universe?

Not explained on-screen.

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[CaptainPipcard]

(M'Sharak: Sorry.)

And those cool screens on the Kelvin that said "COLLISION COURSE ENGAGED" got downgraded in the TOS era.

 

[pookha]

i was thinking it could be a colony ship.. 800 people does seem a rather high number. perhaps they were on the way to a planet and just ran across the anomaly.

i sorta wondered if kelvin was a exploration vessel with a science emphasis as opposed to just a science vessel.

she seemed to be in communication with either a nearby outpost or starbase.
considering how close they are to the klingon border i could see them responding to a call from an outpost similar to the ones we see along the romulan border in balance of terror.

perhaps pike believed if the narada had not been stopped it next would have attacked the nearby outpost and thus the 800 saved.

i think it was orci who said that indeed the birth of jimmy boy was early.
that kind of stress could have caused him to arrive weeks early.


supposedly the kelvin was headed back to earth possibly toward the end of one of her missions.
perhaps why her shuttle looked so scruffy.
when she was called to the scene of the lighting storm in space.

as to why some things are not as sophisicated on the tos enterprise is that something caused them to go toward that look.
an event that perhaps didnt happen within the new verse.

 

[David cgc]

i think it was orci who said that indeed the birth of jimmy boy was early.
that kind of stress could have caused him to arrive weeks early.

I disagree, if only because the attack took place so quickly. Now, if Kirk had been delivered by C-section, I'd buy it. As it is, if we're really conservative and say Pike's "twelve minutes" was counting from the moment Robau died, and said it took, say, a half hour for Robau to shuttle over to the Narada, add maybe ten minutes for the initial attack, that's still less than an hour, which is extremely quick for such things (actually, I don't remember if we first saw Winona before or after the attack started). I suppose we could say that she had the most skittish uterus in history and was induced just by the fact that the Kelvin changed course to investigate the anomaly, but since there wasn't that much lead-time between the second opening appearing and Spock coming out of it, I don't think that adds enough time, either.

My point is, for Kirk to have been born before the Kelvin rammed the Narada, Winona would've had to have gone into labor well before the timeline began to change, so Kirk-Prime was born on the Kelvin, too.

 

[Lindley]

Like we see the Kelvin firing tons of lasers/phasers. (rapid-fire)
http://trekmovie.com/images/st09/intelkelvinphasers.jpg

Then we see the TOS Enterprise firing like, one phaser.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/49/Enterprise_fires_on_planet.jpg

I presumed those were NX-01 style "phase cannons" or something similar. Which were superceded by "Class-10 lasers", which were in turn superceded by phasers.

But it may have been that even weaponry which was outdated for offensive purposes could still be useful in a point-defense role.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Well if Jimmy boy was supposed to be born on Earth they may have been heading in that general direction.

Not likely, unless Nero arrived VERY near Earth (don't think so- the Klingons appeared too quickly), or the attack caused Mrs. Kirk to go into labor early.

Unless this was an early labor, Kirk apparently was born on the Kelvin, originally.

Um they were at the Klingon border which according to Enterprise isn't that far from Earth considering Archer got to the Klingon homeworld in a few days to a few weeks tops where as TOS ships would be faster than the NX-01.