What was "The Burn" and what caused it?

[Tuskin38]

Episode 3 will reveal that in the 30th century,

31st*

A scene from next week's episode that adds a few more details, but no cause yet

Spoiler

The federation was running out of dilithium even before the Burn happened. They were researching other methods of warp travel but it didn't work out. It only destroyed ships that had an active warp core. Which is why there are still ships out there, those would have been ships that were I guess in dry dock, or under construction or just shut off for whatever reason.

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[SG-17]

I wonder if the Burn is directly related to the ban on time travel?

The Federation assumes they win the Temporal War after the Battle of New York but maybe Future Guy is still out there and waits patiently for an opening.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

31st*

It's the year 3188, so that would be 32nd.

 

[Kelso]

If Michael Burnham turns out to be Future Guy I will forgive every problem I have ever had with Discovery.

 

[Timo]

It's the year 3188, so that would be 32nd.

And the Burn would thus be 31st or thereabouts. Possibly 30th, depending on how much we can trust Booker's grasp of history. 30th is also the seven-centuries-after-2250s era when spoilers spoilers spoilers.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

It would be delicious if DSC revealed who Future Guy was after all this time but I'm not counting on it.

 

[NCC-73515]

31st*

A scene from next week's episode that adds a few more details, but no cause yet

Spoiler

The federation was running out of dilithium even before the Burn happened. They were researching other methods of warp travel but it didn't work out. It only destroyed ships that had an active warp core. Which is why there are still ships out there, those would have been ships that were I guess in dry dock, or under construction or just shut off for whatever reason.

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23rd century +700 years = 30th century.

 

[Tuskin38]

23rd century +700 years = 30th century.

Book said the Burn happened in the 3000s in Episode 1. Between the 3060s and 3080s based on his wording.

I think the writers accidentally confused 30th century meaning the 3000s.

It's the year 3188, so that would be 32nd.

We were talking about the Burn which happened in the 3000s.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Burn happened between 3068 and 3088 based on what Book told Burnham.

 

[NCC-73515]

Burnham said 700 years after they left. I don't think there were 100 years between dilithium running out and many ships still actively using it.

 

[Yistaan]

So... (spoilers from what I've read)

Spoiler

The Federation was already having problems with dilithium in Daniels' time? Daniels should have told Archer to start looking into alternatives to dilithium immediately so Daniels' timeline would be changed and full of alternatives to dilithium.

 

[Tuskin38]

So... (spoilers from what I've read)

Spoiler

The Federation was already having problems with dilithium in Daniels' time? Daniels should have told Archer to start looking into alternatives to dilithium immediately so Daniels' timeline would be changed and full of alternatives to dilithium.

That would violate the Temporal Prime Directive.

Burnham said 700 years after they left. I don't think there were 100 years between dilithium running out and many ships still actively using it.

As I said, the writers might have made a mistake. I think one of them confused 3000 and 30th.
Or Burnham was rounding badly.

 

[Yistaan]

It would be delicious if DSC revealed who Future Guy was after all this time but I'm not counting on it.

That would violate the Temporal Prime Directive.

Spoiler

So finally we understand how Future Guy was old man Archer like Brannon Braga said. He was trying to warn his past self of the upcoming dilithium shortage and just had very strange and abrasive ways of doing it. Daniels was the villain all along.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Part of that process was waste material for nuclear reactors, which may or may not have been accessible when they returned..

It wasn't waste material, it was photons and free neutrons released by the fissions. Pretty sure they still have those in the 32nd century.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

So... (spoilers from what I've read)

Spoiler

The Federation was already having problems with dilithium in Daniels' time? Daniels should have told Archer to start looking into alternatives to dilithium immediately so Daniels' timeline would be changed and full of alternatives to dilithium.

Spoiler

maybe they were using time travel to get dilithium from the past to circumvent their shortages.

 

[fireproof78]

It wasn't waste material, it was photons and free neutrons released by the fissions. Pretty sure they still have those in the 32nd century.

Right. But given that Scott found that idea improbable I'm wondering how adoptable such a technique would be.

 

[137th Gebirg]

There would be no need. Just as all Marines are riflemen first, so, too, are all Vulcans lawyers of their world.

 

[yenny]

In 2958 there's a dilithium shortest, they started searching for a replacement power source. They found what they were looking for, call delithium. In 3068 every starships using a delithium for their warp core exploded all at once.

 

[137th Gebirg]

 

[Timo]

Heh. The story does appear pretty straightforward now: 700 years after Season 2, we get the dilithium shortage, and very roughly 100-120 years before Season 3, we get the Burn, and they are separate events, but we still don't know by how much they are separated.

Booker doesn't really know what he's talking about, so make that 70 to 200 years ago or something. And 700 is from a seemingly reliable source but such a big number that the tolerances are probably at 625'ish to 775'ish.

Timo Saloniemi