What was canonized in the Prime U from XI?
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It's interesting Romulous' star just went nova. Without millions of years of forknowledge or anything like that.
And I refuse to believe the Federation wouldn't have rushed in to help or done something (esp. since NEM suggested Romulous and the Federation starting down an equal footing.)
I suspect that the Romulan star wasn't going Nova so much as it was attacked in a manner that forced it go nova.
And I refuse to believe the Federation wouldn't have rushed in to help or done something (esp. since NEM suggested Romulous and the Federation starting down an equal footing.)
I suspect that the Romulan star wasn't going Nova so much as it was attacked in a manner that forced it go nova.
It was a left over missle from the Duras Sisters.
That begs the question, whos got a beef with Tomulus so much that their destruction would be retribusion for the things they have done.
I say a rouge agent from Sector 31.
quick someone write the book, tie in the Shaternet verse with prime non cannon and your set.
That begs the question, whos got a beef with Tomulus so much that their destruction would be retribusion for the things they have done.
I say a rouge agent from Sector 31.
quick someone write the book, tie in the Shaternet verse with prime non cannon and your set.
They were trying to help. Spock's narration strongly suggested that the supernova happened unexpectedly or at least, happened before they were expecting it.
Strictly speaking, however, unless the Romulans ask for assistance the Prime Directive applies.
The supernova thing and romulus thing is well explained in the countdown comics. Spock informed the senate, but the senate was too slow to react.
A couple interesting canon facts I picked up:
1. Kirk's father's father's name was Tiberius.
2. Kirk's mother's father's name was Jim.
3. Delta Vega is within visual range of the planet Vulcan. (Would that make Vulcan officially named Gamma Vega? Would Vulcans be officially called Vegans? Do Vegans not eat meat? It all makes sense now ...)
1. Kirk's father's father's name was Tiberius.
2. Kirk's mother's father's name was Jim.
3. Delta Vega is within visual range of the planet Vulcan. (Would that make Vulcan officially named Gamma Vega? Would Vulcans be officially called Vegans? Do Vegans not eat meat? It all makes sense now ...)
Didn't I also hear mention of the Enterprise's maximum speed to be warp 4? Or was that because the port nacelle was damaged when they went to Vulcan? I remember hearing Checkov mentioning something like, "if Scotty can get us to Warp 4..." Also, I remember hearing Spock order warp 3 at one point. I'm wondering if that's their crusing speed, and 4 is emergency speed? Seems strange since the NX-01 had a Warp 5 engine, and that part of the timeline was unchanged.
I don't think that the visual of Vulcan from Delta Vega can be considered real since it was within Spock's mind meld. I think it might've been representative.
In rewatching- it seems it wasn't Romulous' star that went nova but a nearby one that, apparently, effected Romulous. Maybe Romulous is a binary system?
And on your PD comment. The Enterprise-C warped in and saved Klingons ships from being destroyed without asking permission. Look what happened with that.
Well, obviously this movie was filmed with cameras with built-in Universal Translators™.
It's the same reason that, when in their own homes, foreigners and aliens in movies speak English to each other.
Perhaps, but I believe Nichelle Nichols herself has approved "Nyota" as Uhura's 1st name. Chekov calls her by that name in Of Gods & Men.
Agreed! And it's entirely possible that Federation aid was inaccessible in the vicinity of Romulus.
Following in the aftermath of Shinzon's coup, the Romulan Empire split into 2 different entities. Senator Tal'Aura is now the Praetor of the Romulan Star Empire. Commander Donatra split off her own group and made herself Empress of the Imperial Romulan State. The Imperial Romulan State is an ally of the Federation. The Romulan Star Empire has joined a new galactic superpower called the Typhon Pact, which also includes the Breen, the Tholians, and several other races. We seem to be seeing the brewing of a new cold war between the Federation, Klingons, & the Imperial Romulan State against the Typhon Pact.
It's also possible that the Universal Translators are in the theatres themselves. Or that the filmmakers left a gaping plothole.
That's not an official film, therefore not canon. Only official onscreen stuff is rock solid. I could do a Trek video with sock puppets, but that wouldn't make it canon.
^It's not Paramount official but it is Nichelle Nichols official.
Oh no. The missle hit Tomulus as some sort of retibusion by a rouge agent from the Shaternet verse. And the missle came from the non cannon?
Canon 1.0 now includes:
- the Kelvin and its crew
- the names of George and Winona Kirk and the names of their fathers
- the existence of Richard Barnett; in the 2.0 timeline, he went on to become the admiral in charge of Starfleet Academy in 2258, though his 1.0 counterpart's history is unknown
- Nero and his crew of miners aboard the Nerada
- the destruction of Romulus (by the nova of some star or other) in 2387
- red matter
- Spock's twirly ship
- Spock's apparent death in 2387 while sealing the black hole formerly known as Romulus
Jim Kirk being born aboard the Kelvin is highly likely, though I suppose it's not quite canon.
I will be adding these details to my rewrite/update of the Star Trek Encyclopedia. I feel like I may develop a separate Encyclopedia for the 2.0 universe, with some amount of cross-referencing. Opinions?
- the Kelvin and its crew
- the names of George and Winona Kirk and the names of their fathers
- the existence of Richard Barnett; in the 2.0 timeline, he went on to become the admiral in charge of Starfleet Academy in 2258, though his 1.0 counterpart's history is unknown
- Nero and his crew of miners aboard the Nerada
- the destruction of Romulus (by the nova of some star or other) in 2387
- red matter
- Spock's twirly ship
- Spock's apparent death in 2387 while sealing the black hole formerly known as Romulus
Jim Kirk being born aboard the Kelvin is highly likely, though I suppose it's not quite canon.
I will be adding these details to my rewrite/update of the Star Trek Encyclopedia. I feel like I may develop a separate Encyclopedia for the 2.0 universe, with some amount of cross-referencing. Opinions?
And on your PD comment. The Enterprise-C warped in and saved Klingons ships from being destroyed without asking permission. Look what happened with that.
The Federation and the Klingon Empire were well on their way to become allies at that point.
This supernova apparently somehow posed an imminent threat to the entire galaxy, that's why Spock intervened.
If the disaster had been limited to the Romulan star system and the Romulans had not asked for help, the Federation would be bound by the Prime Directive. We have seen the Federation leave races to die before. It's not their place to choose who lives and dies.
Nothing from this movie is cannon. It takes place in another universe all together.
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