What the frell happened?

[fireproof78]

Due to the cinematic structure and season long story arcs, no doubt. I've generally noticed that less time is spent on introspection because of these as the episodes are always needing to move along. A side-effect of this is the fact that it feels more like we're watching movie version of Picard vs TNG Picard.

Which is an interesting idea because I never expected TNG era Picard. I expected to see Movie era Picard because that would be the next logical step for the character.

Maybe that's why I have an easier time in accepting Picard in Picard is because I went from TNG (and less interested in Picard) to movie Picard (minor interest) to Picard Picard (more interest).

 

[Owain Taggart]

Which is an interesting idea because I never expected TNG era Picard. I expected to see Movie era Picard because that would be the next logical step for the character.

Yeah, plus it's kind of difficult to put the genie back in the bottle at this point Too much has changed, both in terms of what's happened in-universe, and the time it's taken for us to get a follow-up series, and something like a return to the TNG version of the character would be difficult to idealize.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, plus it's kind of difficult to put the genie back in the bottle at this point Too much has changed, both in terms of what's happened in-universe, and the time it's taken for us to get a follow-up series, and something like a return to the TNG version of the character would be difficult to idealize.

I still hold on to the idea that characters should grow, and change, as well as difficulties and regressions. It might not always be beautiful and fun, but difficult and strained and even make mistakes.

That's the idea that appeals to me with Picard.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Oh absolutely. I don't think it would be any fun if they didn't have some sort of evolution. Always fun to see what what your favourite characters are up to. It's like dropping by to visit some old friends and seeing what they're up to.

 

[Candlicious Ghost]

How many years after TNG is Picard taking place?

 

[fireproof78]

How many years after TNG is Picard taking place?

35 years after the start of TNG.

 

[Candlicious Ghost]

35 years after the start of TNG.

So 28 years after the final episode. I too like the idea of characters changing and evolving as time goes on.

 

[Tuskin38]

Exactly. People who expect these character to behave identical to how they did in the series are not being realistic.

 

[Owain Taggart]

And especially after such a gap since we've seen them last. Presumably there's growth in those gap years that lead to the events of the series.

And much in the same way, it's why I don't object to the changes to Luke in the SW sequels. And I think there's been a much longer gap in canon compared to TNG, the movies and Picard, which would make the changes more shocking. I mean, with some popular EU novels where he's seen flirting with the dark side, it's understandable that Luke would have some development, because I certainly wouldn't expect Luke to be the same person we last saw in ROTJ, and certainly not the whiny version that was complaining about having to pick up some power converters.

 

[Campe]

God forbid characters change.
God forbid characters have conflict.
God forbid not everything is hunky dory with our heroes over a long stretch of time.

I’ll be honest. If Picard started out with him happily still being in Starfleet with the exact same people at his side throughout the story, I might have passed on watching it in its entirety.

I am almost 44 years old. I am not close to the same people I was a decade ago. I don’t have the same job. I don’t even live in the same city (let alone same state.) I have a wife, two kids and a dog. Not to mention a house. I didn’t have any of that ten years ago. One could suggest I’m not quite the same person I was in 2013 and in many ways, they’d be right. I’m still me. I’ve just grown and changed.

How can we expect our heroes to be exactly the same in a decade (or three) if we aren’t exactly the same?

 

[fireproof78]

I think the idea with STAR TREK, at least from what I am reading and have read in the past, is that Trek is not to be as realistic unless there is the demand of realism. It is supposed to be a fantasy, where things remain largely static, or minimal growth, to provide that comfort level familiarity in support of the escapism.

 

[Campe]

I think the idea with STAR TREK, at least from what I am reading and have read in the past, is that Trek is not to be as realistic unless there is the demand of realism. It is supposed to be a fantasy, where things remain largely static, or minimal growth, to provide that comfort level familiarity in support of the escapism.

I applaud Picard for trying to buck that tradition with season one. Sadly it fell off pretty quickly.

 

[drt]

I think the idea with STAR TREK, at least from what I am reading and have read in the past, is that Trek is not to be as realistic unless there is the demand of realism. It is supposed to be a fantasy, where things remain largely static, or minimal growth, to provide that comfort level familiarity in support of the escapism.

That's one of the things that cracks me up about some of the SNW prequel complaints about how some crewmembers shouldn't be in place on Enterprise already - so let me get this straight, if people have the same job five years before TOS it's unrealistic, but when they have the same job thirty afterwards it isn't...

 

[Owain Taggart]

I mean, if Harry Kim is shown in a future series and he's still somehow a lowly ensign after all these years, that'd be not only highly unrealistic, but it would be very petty.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I mean, if Harry Kim is shown in a future series and he's still somehow a lowly ensign after all these years, that'd be not only highly unrealistic, but it would be very petty.

Indeed.

Stick a fork in that Ensign joke. It's done.

 

[HauntRod]

I'd laugh.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

As would I.

 

[Candlicious Ghost]

But even in Voyager it was stupid and ill thought out he was an ensign all 7 seasons, What Janeway can't grant Field Promotions. That is just fucking stupid

 

[Tuskin38]

Tom got promoted twice

 

[Owain Taggart]

But even in Voyager it was stupid and ill thought out he was an ensign all 7 seasons, What Janeway can't grant Field Promotions. That is just fucking stupid

Especially when they're out of contact with the rest of the fleet for most of the series. Concessions have to be made. And the sad thing is he was pretty loyal. But loyalty will only get you so far.