What is the "Time Barrier"
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I look at the time barrier as some sort of barrier or limitation to space warp. Perhaps there is another ftl barrier that must be overcome. Timey-wimey, sciencey, sciencey techno, stuff.
Zephrane Cochran discovered the space warp. Then the time barrier was encountered which limited FTL travel. Then the time barrier was broken with the invention of Time Warp. Sometime between "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" the term "time warp" eventually was just called "warp." Now we face the Trans Warp Barrier.
Those darn barriers.
Zephrane Cochran discovered the space warp. Then the time barrier was encountered which limited FTL travel. Then the time barrier was broken with the invention of Time Warp. Sometime between "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" the term "time warp" eventually was just called "warp." Now we face the Trans Warp Barrier.
Those darn barriers.
"The time barrier" is obviously relates to speed when you look at the context of the line. But if he means Warp 8 is now standard, instead of the Warp 7 engines that have been Starfleet standard since the 2160s, why call it "the time barrier"?
Is there some inexplicable Warp 8 "barrier" similar to the Warp 2 "barrier". It took Earth about 80 years to achieve Warp 2 after initially achieving Warp 1. We hear that it took the Vulcans "a hundred years" to accomplish the same feat.
So perhaps a Warp 8 engine, for some unspecified reasons, posed a similar challenge.
Is there some inexplicable Warp 8 "barrier" similar to the Warp 2 "barrier". It took Earth about 80 years to achieve Warp 2 after initially achieving Warp 1. We hear that it took the Vulcans "a hundred years" to accomplish the same feat.
So perhaps a Warp 8 engine, for some unspecified reasons, posed a similar challenge.
What the hell is so funny?
A crucial discovery that takes advantage of the bullshit to time ratio of the human brains reasoning center that allows for the delivery a piece of information so insanely stupid in such a short time that it bypasses the rational portion of the brain that would reject it.
Allowing that phrase and many others to be uttered over the next fifty years of the franchise that otherwise would have caused the plot to collapse as the audience remained oblivious to the ridiculousness of it until after the episode had aired and it was therefore too late to do anything about it.
Allowing that phrase and many others to be uttered over the next fifty years of the franchise that otherwise would have caused the plot to collapse as the audience remained oblivious to the ridiculousness of it until after the episode had aired and it was therefore too late to do anything about it.
Nah, you just want to roll over and go to sleep before canon is finished.
I'll just quote myself from 2008:
Canon maybe concrete, but continuity is fluid. It can, is and will be overwritten. Otherwise we would be enjoying the adventures of the 22nd Century United Earth ship, Enterprise with it's part Vulcanian First Officer Spock and Commanding Officer James R. Kirk operating under the authority of the UESPA. A lot of dialog is throwaway. One off references meant to add a little extra verisimilitude to the proceedings. Some don't stick to wall and drop off.
TOS does in fact take place in the 22nd century.
The first explicitly stated date is 2364, in TNG: The Neutral Zone, a series created, produced, and overseen by Roddenberry. Early advertising publicity, including the promo on debut night of the first episode of the series announced that 78 years had passed since the original adventures, which puts us in 2268, the 23rd century. The most recent film prior to TNG was STiv:The Voyage Home, but we don't know if it's referring to the films or the series. Allowing slightly over the 15 years mentioned in STii when Kirk had last seen Khan, we're still in the 23rd century.
All we have in TOS seem to be approximations in dialogue.
Kirk to Khan in "Space Seed"-- 'About two centuries, we estimate.'
Col. Fellini to Kirk in "Tomorrow is Yesterday"-- 'I'm going to lock you up for 200 years.' Kirk says 'That ought to be just about right.'
In "Metamorphosis", we're told Zefrem Cochrane died 150 years ago, which would have been the early 2100s, or the 22nd century.
They never expected us to be analyzing any of this stuff 50 years later.
8 Years old or not, Carpe was right, IMHO.
Might well be that each warp factor is a "barrier" - after all, there's the valiant Okuda/Sternbach attempt to explain warp factors as features of the power curve, and in their model, it's always an uphill battle towards the next warp factor until the act of reaching it provides a short breather.
It could then very well follow that each of those struggles gets named after something or someone. And each victory is actually more significant a milestone than the previous one, given how warp speeds supposedly increase (at least) exponentially) with warp factors. Perhaps all-new frontiers were opened up by the introduction of warp 8 top speed, the reaching of which had cost Ebenezer Tyme his fortune, family, sanity, and finally life?
Timo Saloniemi
You have to discount quite a bit for that to be true. Including Will Decker's line about Voyager VI launching three hundred years earlier in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
The Valiant from "Where No Man...", would've had to launch no later than 1999.
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