It is just that I notice these things and care. What you said is like the purpose of this thread (you misspoke just like Morrow): Morrow's false statement.
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What is the age of the Enterprise (NCC-1701)?
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What does he say?
That the Enterprise is "almost 20 years old". A false statement (the Enterprise is almost 35 years old).
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Not Morrow, Icheb.
Why does that point to 2273? If he commanded another five-year mission it might as well be 2278.
Thing is, in either case there's going to be long period of time we don't hear about, be it before or after TMP. If it is before, then it is easy to assume that Kirk commanded the Enterprise, if it is after, that becomes much more difficult assumption, as admirals don't tend to command ships in Trek (except temporarily.)
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No, he doesn't. He gives a date for the end of the five-year mission, but that's all.
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I personally think TMP does work better set ten years after TOS. The only justification I've read for why people think that wouldn't work is that in TMP, Kirk references his "five years out there", which seems to imply he only commanded one five-year mission.
A guy on Voyager Chemahkuu mentioned, who had said something relating to the date of V'Ger incident. Or so I understood it.
Commodore Decker is an Admiral (lower Rear Admiral by TNG standards) and commands the Constellation.
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*fucking headdesk*
After the 5 year mission, Kirk is promoted and given a desk job which he eventually occupies for 2 and a half years, made pretty FUCKING CLEAR in TMP has him aching to be on a ship again after that little time because he's going stir crazy not being in space. The Enterprise was anchored and the given an 18 month refit which could even have meant to be 2 years given the lines from Scotty, having to shove her out early because the rest of the fleet was playing chicken shit again.
It's 2273 because every single publication from the 1970's until now says so, it's established in dialogue, it's made clear enough in the film without using a board and crayons and the stardate is given in subtitles that if you use the TOS system equal a date in pretty early 2273.
We really need an actor paid just to stand and give a 5 hour introduction to every episode and film just to stop people missing this shit.
After the 5 year mission, Kirk is promoted and given a desk job which he eventually occupies for 2 and a half years, made pretty FUCKING CLEAR in TMP has him aching to be on a ship again after that little time because he's going stir crazy not being in space. The Enterprise was anchored and the given an 18 month refit which could even have meant to be 2 years given the lines from Scotty, having to shove her out early because the rest of the fleet was playing chicken shit again.
It's 2273 because every single publication from the 1970's until now says so, it's established in dialogue, it's made clear enough in the film without using a board and crayons and the stardate is given in subtitles that if you use the TOS system equal a date in pretty early 2273.
We really need an actor paid just to stand and give a 5 hour introduction to every episode and film just to stop people missing this shit.
Well, that's actually a good point. Shit.
Commodore is not an Admiral, more like senior Captain. That the rank later got replaced with an Admiral rank doesn't change that. If we believe the background material the rank of Commodore existed during TMP. Kirk was a Rear Admiral (no halves.)
Temporarily.
Captains can command a floatilla (without being Fleet Captain, which is a step higher), Commodore's command aircraft carriers within the Royal Navy and presumably other navies, along with having tactical command of the taskforce that accompanies it.
Admiral level ranks are the first ones that absolutely require the officer to fall back to a shore based command altogether. The responsibilities of the Admiralty are different for most nations.
Admiral level ranks are the first ones that absolutely require the officer to fall back to a shore based command altogether. The responsibilities of the Admiralty are different for most nations.
Well, it is the only thing that establishes that there wasn't a second five-year mission.
All this just establishes that the film happens about three years after their last mission, but had there been another five-year mission, it could have been in 2275, the film taking place in 2278.
But fine. Kirk's statement that there was only on five-year mission is clear enough. So what did the Enterprise do between those twelve years between TMP and TWOK?
A large number of comics and books have been written/drawn between then and now to explain it all. But in universe they stopped existing like all fiction, so nothing.
Kirk leaves Starfleet at one point, returning to his farm in Iowa and meeting a woman called Antonia who loves eggs. Eventually he decides to break her heart and return to Starfleet in around 2284 I think. I worked out why years ago but don't have my reasoning to hand. Wait, it was because it was "nine years ago" from his point of view.
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