What is Nero's beef with Kirk?

[Kryton]

He's Lenny Kneeboy!

 

[Dusty Ayres]

That's my take. I'm hoping that Nero is somewhere between reckless and psychotic, and he's just running around fucking shit up because he can. Sort of like Doomsday in the Superman comics (before they overexplained and ruined his origin).

It just makes no sense for him to go all the way back to Kirk's time and try to eliminate him. Even if he is somehow pissed about something Kirk has done, eliminating Kirk would have so many unpredictable effects by Nero's time, that no reasonable man would try it.

There could be an emotional connection to Kirk, like with Khan, but Nero seems too remote from Kirk, time-wise.

So, I hope he's just reckless, like Lobo, or just plain old frakkin' crazy.

Kind of like a certain Reman/Human fusion from a certain movie that everybody hates, even though this guy and Nero are the same kind of bad guy. How come Nero is better than the other guy (Hint: the other guy is from this movie.)

Well, one of the problems with the villian in "Nemesis" is that he had too many motivations (which often conflicted with each other), and none of them were very convincing.

Neither was the Joker in The Dark Knight, and yet everybody loved that guy. Can't everybody see Shinzon as simply just wanting to watch things burn, like the Joker?

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Can't everybody see Shinzon as simply just wanting to watch things burn, like the Joker?

No.

 

[Kryton]

Ah, but you probably loved CHANG and that was his entire raison d'etre!

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Ah, but you probably loved CHANG and that was his entire raison d'etre!

Chang was pretty cool. I suppose that's the only difference that matters.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Ah, but you probably loved CHANG and that was his entire raison d'etre!

Funny I thought Chang's motivation was "No peace in our time", and fear that the Federation would begin to control Klingon affairs, the "I'd rather die on my feet then live on my knees" thing.

A world apart from the Joker sowing chaos just because its fun. Shinzon was aiming his weapon at the wrong planet...

Sharr

 

[Kryton]

Gotta disagree. Chang basically WAS The Joker with a political justification (which, in my opinion makes him even more dangerous).

Either way, I utterly hated ST VI, so rather than go into details I'll drop it (I have a warning about my vocal opinions on the film).

 

[Dusty Ayres]

A world apart from the Joker sowing chaos just because its fun. Shinzon was aiming his weapon at the wrong planet...
Sharr

Shinzon was targeting Earth to satisfy the Romulan admirals/generals who wanted to destroy the Federation for quite a while, as seen in the film, even though he was delaying the attack constantly. I consider Shinzon to be as insane as the Joker, a mad despot who wanted to watch Earth burn because he also had a secret hatred of his human side, a side that caused him so much abuse from Romulans (which is where Picard comes in, as he wanted a victory over the person). He also wanted to cement his rule as Praetor, and he also wanted Remans to be a part of Romulan society moreso than they had been.

BTW, I have a positive review of Star Trek:Nemesis that was made around the same time as the film:

Despite the fact that Star Trek, as an institution, has lost much of its momentum, especially after 1998’s muddled Insurrection, the Trek still holds a special place in the hearts of geeks. And Star Trek Nemesis is, surprisingly, probably the second-best Next Generation film, after the Borg-heavy First Contact. After the initial “flogging a dead Targ” feel of seeing the old, and I do mean old, gang reunited (the wedding of Deanna and Riker, the futuristic dune buggy away mission with Picard, Data and Worf), Nemesis quickly and efficiently introduces its antagonist (Shinzon, a young clone of Picard who now rules the Romulan and Reman empire) and starts exploring its themes of duality. Of course, there’s a lot of action as well. Nemesis is closest in its feel to the Star Trek oeuvre’s best offering, The Wrath of Khan, especially with its climactic battle between Shinzon’s flagship and the Enterprise, the “selfless” sacrifice towards the end and the evolving animosity between Picard and Shinzon, although the film stops itself from having Picard scream, “Shinzoooooooon!!!”

Star Trek Nemesis review

Amazing how a non-Trekfan could see the forest for the trees, and none of the Trekfans couldn't.

 

[sunburn800]

Maybe nero is not just after kirk but also spock as well. spock may be responsible for neros capture in the 24 century.

 

[Kryton]

Nero found out Kirk was pirating copies of his "Burning ROM" software...and now, he shall have him. He shall have him because he TASKS him.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Nero found out Kirk was pirating copies of his "Burning ROM" software...and now, he shall have him. He shall have him because he TASKS him.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Kirk slept with Nero's grandmother, mother, aunt, and his sister.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Kirk slept with Nero's grandmother, mother, aunt, and his sister.

He slept with Nero too... But never called him back

 

[Aragorn]

Nero is really after Chekov, because he NEVER forgets a face.

 

[Woulfe]

As a kid, Kirk beat Nero up & took his lunch money.....

To the TOS fight music no less....

Dah Dah Dah Dah Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dah Dah Dah Dah Dah Dun Dun Dun

- W -
* Smirks *

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Kirk borrowed $500 from Nero and died before he could pay Nero back.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Because he's EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIIIILLLL!! I tell ya, EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL!!!!!!!

 

[ancient]

Kirk scribbled all over Nero's face with permantent marker!

The shame is so great he has no choice but to destroy everything!

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Of course he could really just be pissed at Vulcan, and is only taking out Kirk because in the 23rd century he was the only competantnot fried captain and thus the only one who could stop him.

 

[The Boz]

Nero's beef is due to the fact that Vulcan and Romulus are very close to reunification. Nero is a rogue faction of romulus who beleives that this reunification will destroy the romulans, and is not acting on behalf of the romulan government. As Spock (from that TNG ep) is pretty much directly responsible for reunification Nero has it in for him. By killing kirk as well he has killed the man responsible for alot of the recent political history of the federation. Nero beleives that by killing kirk, romulans would become the supreme power of the alpha quadrant. One of Neros aids early on in the movie asks why they do not attack archer instead, Nero says that archer was responsible for a lot of the militarization of romulas before during and after the romulan war, and would change romulan history too much.

Now that the comic is out, re read that