• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

What is CURRENTLY Being Done...?

I think that's a big 'fuck you' to the fans and a much clearer answer than saying 'it will never happen'.

How is that a "fuck you" to the fans, considering they allowed the fans to buy it?

Actually, if you read the text on Mr. Eaves site with the photos, they wouldn't let him buy the Enterprise sets. He said he told them he would go get a truck but the guy kept working and basically ignored him.

Mr. Okuda said in the auction documentary that he went thru the warehouse and picked out the best of what was in storage, not everything was auctioned off.

The problem with Enterprise was the temporal cold war storyline. If the series would have started with the stories in season four, Enterprise probably would have had a long run.

I thought the cold war storyline was one that wasn't played out enough... The Xindi arc was far too drawn out... they could have finished that story in 7-10 episodes instead of dedicating an entire season to it. I think some people just got bored with it. The whole Nazi arc to start Season 4 was a little over the top, but that's Manny Coto for you. Look at 24 since he stepped in with his whole entourage - that show has gotten a little too full of itself. He tried to pull an Odyssey 5 (his first solo series) with Enterprise and it just didn't work as well as it could have... telling a story that intricate takes time, and he just put too much into it.

On a side note... I appreciate everyone's comments as far as thinking it won't come back, doesn't have a chance, etc... but I'd appreciate some constructive elaboration as to your reasons and methodology behind such statements, instead of just painting your point with such a broad brush.
 
How is that a "fuck you" to the fans, considering they allowed the fans to buy it?

Actually, if you read the text on Mr. Eaves site with the photos, they wouldn't let him buy the Enterprise sets. He said he told them he would go get a truck but the guy kept working and basically ignored him.

Mr. Okuda said in the auction documentary that he went thru the warehouse and picked out the best of what was in storage, not everything was auctioned off.

The problem with Enterprise was the temporal cold war storyline. If the series would have started with the stories in season four, Enterprise probably would have had a long run.

I thought the cold war storyline was one that wasn't played out enough... The Xindi arc was far too drawn out... they could have finished that story in 7-10 episodes instead of dedicating an entire season to it. I think some people just got bored with it. The whole Nazi arc to start Season 4 was a little over the top, but that's Manny Coto for you. Look at 24 since he stepped in with his whole entourage - that show has gotten a little too full of itself. He tried to pull an Odyssey 5 (his first solo series) with Enterprise and it just didn't work as well as it could have... telling a story that intricate takes time, and he just put too much into it.

On a side note... I appreciate everyone's comments as far as thinking it won't come back, doesn't have a chance, etc... but I'd appreciate some constructive elaboration as to your reasons and methodology behind such statements, instead of just painting your point with such a broad brush.

People have gotten specific, but here, let me try.

It won't come back for a number of reasons:

1) Like it or hate it: the sets were destroyed. Regardless of the reason, they are gone. Yes, they can rebuild, but that would be very, very costly.

2) While those in this forum (myself included) like ENT, it just wasn't that popular when compared to TOS and TNG. I realize that it was on UPN and repeats on Sci-Fi, which causes it to have a lower viewership. However, the fact remains that, like DS9 and VGR, it never really delved into pop culture as well as the first two shows.

3) It also doesn't help that the media, in relation to this new movie, constantly implies that the show (and the other spin-offs for that matter) were bad. Additionally, the reviews when the show was on tended to be on the negative side, which is unfortunate as ENT was a well constructed show and it was probably being reviewed in comparison to the other Treks, as opposed to how it was on its own.

Those are my reasons on why I think ENT won't be back.
 
Please allow me to address your issues. I'm not interested in getting into an angry debate, and this thread is meant to be informative, but I'd like to chime in.

People have gotten specific, but here, let me try.

It won't come back for a number of reasons:

1) Like it or hate it: the sets were destroyed. Regardless of the reason, they are gone. Yes, they can rebuild, but that would be very, very costly.

With a show like ENT, and really any show filmed inside, sets are actually the cheapest portion of the budget. Look at it this way... the ENT set was the equivalent of about a 5000 sq. ft. house. Right now the raw materials for construction are at an almost 50 year low (relative to inflation, of course). You're talking about $500,000 in raw materials, and about that in labor. It makes MORE sense to build new sets now than it ever has. Further more, the display technology (LCDs, cameras, etc.) have come down so far in cost and gone up in quality is incredible. They could film the whole thing with 4 RED cams and release in studio quality 1080p. That would set them back probably another $80k US. Factor in dedicated CG staff, and you're looking at a full season run with infrastructure costs in the $1.5 million range. That's not too bad considering you'll pull that in ad revenue alone, especially if it runs on SyFy or another cable network where advertisers can have targeted demographics at their beck and call.

2) While those in this forum (myself included) like ENT, it just wasn't that popular when compared to TOS and TNG. I realize that it was on UPN and repeats on Sci-Fi, which causes it to have a lower viewership. However, the fact remains that, like DS9 and VGR, it never really delved into pop culture as well as the first two shows.

All great points, however Trek fans were only half of the audience the creators were attempting to appeal to, and that was either a good idea, or a horrible one (horrible, in my opinion). They tried very hard to pull in people that would watch CSI, 24, and other action dramas. They sold the adventure/intrigue aspect of the show extremely well, but they forgot to continue producing episodes that would draw those audiences in. Also, it fell prey to timeslot bingo... every season was a different day and time, making it difficult for regular, non-DVR viewers to consistently tune in, and eventually people just stopped caring.

With that said, there's an easy cure... stick it on cable and give it a steady timeslot. If your favorite restaurant kept changing locations every year, and it kept getting further and further from your home, you'd eventually stop going, no matter how great the food. Unless they deliver of course, thus my second point: MANY more viewers have DVR tech at home now, meaning that eventhough the live hits of the show might not be great, you'll be getting many more viewers watching on DVR, as well as on web simulcast if they want to go down that road.

Enterprise originally aired in a sort of TV Limbo time... between the big boom of the early 2000's (gee, thanks 9/11 for turning us all into shut-ins) and the revival thanks to web-based distribution we're currently seeing. On top of that, Trek as a brand is at an all-time peak as far as interested households. If this is ever going to happen, it needs to be in the next 12-18 months. Not necessary go on-air, but at least get put into motion and/or production. If they want this to be successful they HAVE to capitalize on the success of the new films and ride that wave of exposure AS MUCH as possible.

3) It also doesn't help that the media, in relation to this new movie, constantly implies that the show (and the other spin-offs for that matter) were bad. Additionally, the reviews when the show was on tended to be on the negative side, which is unfortunate as ENT was a well constructed show and it was probably being reviewed in comparison to the other Treks, as opposed to how it was on its own.

You absolutely hit the nail on the head. It was being compared to all other Trek, and the fact of the matter was that it was trying to DISTANCE itself from Trek. It was darker, more real, more now. Other Trek series were smiles and puppy dogs and rainbows at the end of the day, but ENT put a gritty, human face on the future, although it still stayed true to the generally optimistic view of the future. The show made sure people knew things would get better, but that it would take a hell of a lot of work to make it happen. Thus is the blight of our cause... the future is certainly bright for the brand, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of work to get the show back on the air. Do I think it can happen? If a POS like Jericho can get another season... anything is possible. Also, don't forget... FOX brass killed Family Guy and said Seth McFarlane would never work in Hollywood again... Family Guy is now the #2 watched show on Sundays, with the IP worth over $2 billion. Anything is possible, friends :-)

Those are my reasons on why I think ENT won't be back.

I really appreciate you elaborating, I enjoyed reading your responses and hope you'll stay active in the thread as we move along!
 
I won't deny that if they brought ENT back now, it would probably fare better.

However, from a business standpoint, if they were to bring Trek back to TV, they would most likely do it in the style and "universe" that JJA has created. People responded very well to that, so you go with what works.

I should also note that when they were making a new Trek movie, they could have easily done anything they wanted to from doing an ENT movie to having one with a brand new crew. Instead, they went back to the originals. Why? Because it has recognition. People know Kirk and Spock. You go up to random person and ask them about Archer, they are likely to no know who you are talking about. I am certain that was one of the major factors that brought the general movie audience in.
 
You go up to random person and ask them about Archer, they are likely to no know who you are talking about.

I turned a couple friends on to ENT solely because I told them who the owner of the "prizes" beagle was and they wanted to see the dog... haha. Whatever gets people interested, I guess.
 
You go up to random person and ask them about Archer, they are likely to no know who you are talking about.

I turned a couple friends on to ENT solely because I told them who the owner of the "prizes" beagle was and they wanted to see the dog... haha. Whatever gets people interested, I guess.

The thing about ENT is that they never really had a breakout character that entered mainstream pop culture. TOS had Spock. TNG with Data. Arguably Quark with DS9 (although, I am not convinced DS9 had one either). VGR with Seven.

ENT really didn't have that standout character. Don't get me wrong. I liked the characters and think they were (mostly) well done, but no one really jumped (outside of fan circles).
 
You go up to random person and ask them about Archer, they are likely to no know who you are talking about.

I turned a couple friends on to ENT solely because I told them who the owner of the "prizes" beagle was and they wanted to see the dog... haha. Whatever gets people interested, I guess.

The thing about ENT is that they never really had a breakout character that entered mainstream pop culture. TOS had Spock. TNG with Data. Arguably Quark with DS9 (although, I am not convinced DS9 had one either). VGR with Seven.

ENT really didn't have that standout character. Don't get me wrong. I liked the characters and think they were (mostly) well done, but no one really jumped (outside of fan circles).

I would say TNG had Picard, more than Data... and ENT did have T'Pol... just sayin'.
 
It probably won't change anyone's mind but contemplate this: you're a TV exec and you want to do a Trek series to cash in on the success of the movie. You're not a Trek fan (so free yourself from your perceptions for this thought experiment). What sounds like a more likely way to success: Bring back a series that was cancelled 4 years ago because it didn't bring in the expected viewership and which is disliked even among Trek fans or create a new series based in the Abramsverse, close in style to the new movie which was a great success?
I think the answer is pretty clear. As it stands now, both approaches would amount to the same costs. Hell, even I would go with a new series in this case, and I love ENT.
 
I turned a couple friends on to ENT solely because I told them who the owner of the "prizes" beagle was and they wanted to see the dog... haha. Whatever gets people interested, I guess.

The thing about ENT is that they never really had a breakout character that entered mainstream pop culture. TOS had Spock. TNG with Data. Arguably Quark with DS9 (although, I am not convinced DS9 had one either). VGR with Seven.

ENT really didn't have that standout character. Don't get me wrong. I liked the characters and think they were (mostly) well done, but no one really jumped (outside of fan circles).

I would say TNG had Picard, more than Data... and ENT did have T'Pol... just sayin'.

Maybe Picard and Data, the way TOS had Kirk and Spock.

Sorry, I disagree with T'Pol. She never broke out into mainstream culture.
 
Modern Star Trek series tended to have too many "stand-out" characters and while in principle this should ramp up story potential, it actually had the opposite effect. On Voyager crew members fell by the way side, reduced to being mere cyphers taking orders. Neelix, Kim, Chakotay all feeding off the crumbs left over from Janeway v Seven, or The Doctor v Seven. With TNG it often became Geordi or Doctor Crusher squeezed out, or forced to rely on a Data or Picard storyline to justify their existence.

Personally I liked Enterprise's approach. With T'Pol and Phlox being the obvious candidates, it was actually the all-too human, Trip who stood head and shoulders even above sci fi genre favourite Scott Bakula as Archer.

Partly this phenomenon explains why I think Season 5 was crying out for Shran to join the regular cast and be ENT's answer to Worf. An outsider who joins our heroes and doesn't quite fit in, but by the end becomes intergral. Jeffrey Combs stole every scene he ever appeared in and his presence would have raised everybody's game. He would've been perfect. A genuinely interesting "quid pro quo" relationship with Archer, that brought out the best in Scott's naturalistic re-acting. You've got a continuation of the tactical rivalry that worked with Major Hayes and brought Reed out of his shell. Then there's the deep suspicion and distrust towards Vulcans, that could have brought T'Pol's character to new heights.
 
You know, sometimes even small little efforts can help raise the reputation of Enterprise.

I decided to put my thoughts together about the show and write a review. Then post it over at Internet Movie Database and Amazon.com. Sales of the complete Season 1-4 set are slowly climbing their chart. If you look up Star Trek, filter to the bestselling among the other franchise entries, it's actually sitting at the 8th most popular DVD Trek. A week ago, it was outside the top ten. Taking into account owning all Enterprise costs $145 dollars, that's not bad.

Looking at most of the reviews, some are pretty against ENT but tend to date back to when the show seen for the first time. So it's good to throw in my contrary opinion, now the dust has settled. I recommend others do the same, especially with newbies coming to Star Trek for the first time. It would be nice to think, for every vocal hater of this show, there were others who felt differently.
 
I really think the most that can happen is a 2 hour telefilm.
I don't even think that's unreasonable on the part of the studio. It's a minimal undertaking to bank of the recent success of Trek and win favor with those they alienated by truncating the series.
Even an ANIMATED telefilm would be warmly embraced, provided the original cast voiced it.
 
We're already getting The Romulan War in trade paperback this October, and I wouldn't put it past the authors to come up with a plausible TCW story someday. Personally, I'll take that over an animated series or telefilm that would still be much more expensive than the costs of making the books.
 
^^ Sure, the moment it was cancelled I thought there was no question of books extending the story. But not even any comics or graphic novels?

I thought that The Good That Men Do was worthy of a GN publication. I also have high hopes for The Romulan War.

I really think that there will not be a telefilm or animated continuation as long as Trek is in theatres, which very likely will be another 10 years at least. :( It's too successful, and they likely won't echo the so called "franchise fatigue" again.

Unless Enterprise came into new ownership it won't happen. I hold out hopes for a fan project to continue the story, because as good as seasons 1-4 are, they feel truncated.
 
I wonder if CBS would allow a outside group to sponsor a direct to DVD movie of Enterprise, maybe charging just enough to cover costs of paying the cast, crew, and FX? Something along the lines of the fan produced stories but with the original cast.

Either that of see if SyFy would spend a few extra dollars and do a Enterprise movie on Saturday night instead of the movie rip offs they have been airing. The FX on shows like Stargate SG1 and BSG are pretty good and I know Sy Fy wasn't spending that much money per episode.
 
CBS wouldn't allow me to have lunch if I asked them nicely.

A fan production. I think it's the only way we'll see the NX-01 finish it's mission.

There were a couple of such fan productions in the works for Enterprise but I haven't heard anything of them in over a year.
 
Sadly Bill, I haven't heard anything either and I emailed a few people a while back. I recently put together a playlist of that footage on my YouTube page. I may as well plug that shamelessly now. It's the link under the ENT quote below, in my signature. Some of that Enterprise Season 5 animation looked stunning. A little Klingon-centric, but it must've been a direction their creator wanted.

I expect that in the wake of the new film, fans have all moved on. More interested in creating work based on the U.S.S. Kelvin. Which is kind of disappointing. A ship onscreen for less than 15 minutes usurped four years of NX love, and basically stole it's silver, gritty and welded interior at the same time. How the hell did that happen? :wtf:

I guess even JJ Abrams' designers recognised where ENT was onto something good. ;)
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top